Xann Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, blandy said: There's a bit of a thing here. It's this: Their irresistible urge to line the pockets of c***s? I genuinely don't know if Pfizer were the obvious candidates for the job, with their manufacturing resources they may have been? Then your point is a good one. They are c***s though. C***s get a lot of government contracts, even serial failure c***s. Goldman Sachs got the contract for the Post Office job (wasn't it just?), after triggering the 2008 global financial crash and causing Greece such misery. Southern, Northern, Group 4, Serco, all c***s. So, unless you already know for sure? It's not a sure assumption that Pfizer were the best choice? Quote Albert Bourla, the CEO of Pfizer, described the call to share vaccine recipes ‘dangerous nonsense,’ the WHO emergency use approval of the Indian vaccine Covaxin earlier this month is clear evidence that developing countries have the capacity and expertise. Anna Marriott, Oxfam’s Health Policy Manager said: “Contrary to what Pfizer’s CEO says, the real nonsense is claiming the experience and expertise to develop and manufacture life-saving medicines and vaccines does not exist in developing countries. This is just a false excuse that pharmaceutical companies are hiding behind to protect their astronomical profits. “It is also a complete failure of government to allow these companies to maintain monopoly control and artificially constrain supply in the midst of a pandemic while so many people in the world are yet to be vaccinated.” Reliefweb - United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 8, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, Xann said: So, unless you already know for sure? It's not a sure assumption that Pfizer were the best choice? They were a good choice - and more an EU choice than our Guvmint. It was (IIRC) two Turkish-German nationals working for Pfizer who were key to developing the vaccine. Whatever the wider "merits" of their corporate behaviours I believe it is undeniable that biotech/Pharma companies whose core operation is the development of medical stuff and vaccines and the like absolutely should have been engaged to come up with life saving vaccines and treatments for the novel Corona virus. They (and other Biotech Co.s) employ world experts in that field. The same applies to the Oxford Uni/AZ effort. The UK and AZ has genuine top class expertise in the field and not using it would have been negligent on a huge scale. That one of the Companies seems to have clearly been ultra capitalist (I think the AZ one was done at cost price) is not surprising (if shameful) and is kind of seperate to my point at least that utilising expertise to develop vaccines is very different to utilising Matt Hancock's Pub Landlord to procure vials (which were unusable) or Baroness Moyne's husbands fast tracked VIP lane no-experience company to procure masks and PPE, which has all the appearance of, essentially, corruption. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 8, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Xann said: So, unless you already know for sure? It's not a sure assumption that Pfizer were the best choice? It wasn't a case of Pfizer was the best, there were a whole number of companies that got vaccine research contracts. Pfizer and AZ were just the ones that won the race to approval with an acceptable efficacy. It wasn't just those two companies that got money, they just funded anyone who claimed to have a clue about what they were doing it seemed like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, blandy said: They were a good choice... A couple of friends were instrumental in research and delivery. Will try and remember to ask her thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 8, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Xann said: A couple of friends were instrumental in research and delivery. Will try and remember to ask her thoughts on this? If you yahoogle it you'll see. I read an article maybe 18 months ago on them, in some paper or other. Here's some stuff Quote Scientists Ugur Sahin and Ozlem Tureci have dedicated their lives to the field of oncology and infectious diseases, and spent years pioneering personalized immunotherapy treatments for cancer. But amid the coronavirus pandemic, the couple's groundbreaking research in the field of modified genetic code has catapulted them into the public eye, as the brains behind the world's first effective coronavirus vaccine. Sahin, 55, and Tureci, 53, set up BioNTech in the central German city of Mainz in 2008. On Monday the company's partner, US pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, said their candidate vaccine was more than 90% effective in preventing infection in volunteers. Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine: Meet the scientists who developed the vaccine - CNN Quote Two Turkish-German scientists have won the most prestigious medicine award in Germany for their achievements in the use of mRNA for preventive and therapeutic purposes, the Scientific Council of the Paul Ehrlich Foundation announced Tuesday. Ugur Sahin and Ozlem Tureci, the second-generation Turkish immigrants who co-founded the German company BioNTech, were among the scientists to win the Paul Ehrlich and Ludwig Darmstaedter Prize 2022. Along with biochemist Katalin Kariko, Sahin and Tureci are being awarded "for their achievements in the development of messenger RNA (mRNA) for preventive and therapeutic purposes." The prizes will be handed out next March in Frankfurt, said a foundation statement. The Paul Ehrlich and Ludwig Darmstaedter Prize is Germany’s most renowned medical award, endowed with €120,000, said the foundation's website. Sahin and Tureci are a husband-and-wife team who surprised the world when they announced that the vaccine they developed together with US pharmaceutical company Pfizer was more than 90% effective at preventing COVID-19. Theirs was the first vaccine released, faster than many had predicted, and it relied on cutting-edge mRNA technology that Sahin and Tureci had championed. Turkish-German vaccine inventors awarded top German medicine prize (aa.com.tr) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 The government spent £370bn plundering the money tree and fraud is estimated to amount to around £5bn+. I do believe that Labour were demanding even more but I stand to be corrected. The consequences in terms of inflation and future austerity have yet to be calculated. Capitalists confiscate a workers' surplus value, but governments destroy savings and purchasing-power through low interest rates and high inflation. UK general government gross debt was £2,223.0 billion at the end of March 2021, equivalent to 103.7% of gross domestic product (GDP). Pass the lube, we are all going to get ****ed. "You will own nothing and be happy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, bickster said: It wasn't a case of Pfizer was the best, there were a whole number of companies that got vaccine research contracts. Pfizer and AZ were just the ones that won the race to approval with an acceptable efficacy. It wasn't just those two companies that got money, they just funded anyone who claimed to have a clue about what they were doing it seemed like Ah yes. It was a footrace at the beginning. 1 hour ago, blandy said: Here's some stuff Unfortunately Pfizer suits are scum.:( 1 hour ago, MakemineVanilla said: The consequences in terms of inflation and future austerity have yet to be calculated It's an absolute shitshow for the next generations. Hopefully they'll kick off and drag some scum into the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Human right groups seeking injunction to stop deportations to Rwanda. Change for Boris to recover some votes from brexiteers / white van man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) How long until the first refugee is sent to Rwanda and then comes straight back again. No doubt we don’t get the money back. Does Rwanda get paid each time we send the same person over? I’m fast forwarding to a point in the future where The Sun print the story about a refugee has cost UK tax payers £5m because he keeps returning to the UK each time he is sent to Africa. Edited June 8, 2022 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted June 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, hippo said: Human right groups seeking injunction to stop deportations to Rwanda. Change for Boris to recover some votes from brexiteers / white van man. That's the whole point on the policy. They're not actually interested in sending people to Rwanda, they're interested in being able to rile up angry people about do-gooder, woke lawyers. Government by Daily Mail headline. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, Genie said: How long until the first refugee is sent to Rwanda and then comes straight back again. No doubt we don’t get the money back. Does Rwanda get paid each time we send the same person over? I’m fast forwarding to a point in the future where The Sun print the story about a refugee has cost UK tax payers £5m because he keeps returning to the UK each time he is sent to Africa. Not one will ever be sent to Rwanda IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, Xela said: Not one will ever be sent to Rwanda IMO. I hope you’re right. It’s an utterly horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Top of the agenda, we need to threaten the EU over their totally ridiculous implementation of the protocols which is damaging for the N.I. Economy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Top of the agenda, we need to threaten the EU over their totally ridiculous implementation of the protocols which is damaging for the N.I. Economy. Can you taste the sweet meat of levelling up. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 4 hours ago, ml1dch said: That's the whole point on the policy. They're not actually interested in sending people to Rwanda, they're interested in being able to rile up angry people about do-gooder, woke lawyers. Government by Daily Mail headline. They're *so* predictable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rodders Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 I hold every single person who reads that rag in the highest of contempt. There is simply no excuse. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted June 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, blandy said: There's a bit of a thing here. It's this: AZ and Pfizer are/were established companies with expertise in the domain (vaccine development). It was right for Governments to act with those companies, whether in the UK, EU or USA etc. to expedite vaccine development - That was undoubtedly a good thing to do and not remotely scattershot, IMO. However the other stuff, by and large - track and trace, PPE, glass vials and so on - there you're spot on, because to a large extent the UK government money went to start-ups, non-established companies in the particular area, friends and family, and all kinds of proper dodgy intermediaries and enterprises. And a ferry company with no ferries. Edited June 9, 2022 by HKP90 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 14 hours ago, ml1dch said: They're *so* predictable The Mail are actually obfuscating the truth about the whole Rwanda deal, and if they were honest with their readership, they would consider the legal challenge to be a good thing, but they have ignored the truth for the sake of a slogan. What they should be telling their readers is that for every able-bodied "asylum seeker" they move to Rwanda, the government have agreed to take a sick person or one needing care. This is yet another political fraud being perpetrated on the British public, as they pretend one thing for one set of voters and the opposite to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 19 hours ago, ml1dch said: They're *so* predictable These b**** lawyers, bringing cases to the court within the confines of our existing laws, they must be stopped And these woke judges who apply the law, don't get me started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, juanpabloangel18 said: These b**** lawyers, bringing cases to the court within the confines of our existing laws, they must be stopped And these woke judges who apply the law, don't get me started I’m surprised it’s not EU Lawyers trying to tell the UK what it can and can’t do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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