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14 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Wasn't there evidence of a company being set up with no experience of providing PPE, getting given a big government contract barely a couple of months later, which definitely had nothing to do with the directors being friendly with the right people, which then actually didn't didn't deliver on the contract?

Classic good political leadership. Not crony capitalism.

Wasn't it Matt Hancock's mate from the pub? 

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51 minutes ago, meregreen said:

The more I hear from the shadow cabinet members, the more I realise there is hope. Damn she was good.

Yeah, but did she point out that the earliest known settlement to be classified as urban was Jericho around 10,000 years ago?

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17 hours ago, ender4 said:

This isn't quite as bad as it looks at first glance. 

They bought the PPE when the price of PPE was at its highest due to governments globally struggling to acquire enough of it. There just wasn't enough global supply so the price rocketed. The price of PPE then fell back to normal prices as the pandemic got under control.  So the PPE has been revalued lower by £4.7 billion. This really isn't an issue.   

£0.75 billion of the £8.7 billion was due to over-ordering.  At the time, no-one knew how bad Covid was going to be so the govt ordered excess amounts.  We were lucky that Covid was less severe than it could have been, but that over-ordering could have been a very wise decision at the time. 

£0.67 billion of it was defective. I believe the government is still working on getting that money back, though it will be difficult as it will be dealing with companies such as factories in China under Chinese laws.

£2.6 billion is not suitable. This could be a worrying figure. Why is it not suitable? Was it bad procurement process, corruption, or simply the urgency that the PPE was needed meant that short-cuts were taken that in hindsight look bad, but at the time was necessary?

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Davkaus said:

I'd be more sympathetic to this point if they'd not thrown expensive contracts at Tory donors with no experience of providing PPE while there being many documented cases of them ignoring contact from experienced suppliers.In some cases there was pushback from the civil service due to poor value for money, and ministers intervened to push deals through.

There's possibly an element of supply and demand, but there was almost certainly a lot of Tory pigs at the trough

There are AFAICS three main reasons why so much money was 'lost' on PPE. The first one is that, thanks to budget trimming and austerity measures, the national PPE stockpile was extremely low at the start of the pandemic, so we had to order a lot. That's on the Tories. The second one is that they gave contracts to unsuitable providers, including some with literally no record of success and/or oddly close relationships to senior party figures. That one's definitely on them. The third one is the global rush to purchase PPE, the expense of shipping, and the closures of Chinese factories, and that one I'll give them plenty of leeway on. But two of the three reasons are their fault. 

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Sunak has kept very quiet on the whole party gate and levelling up agenda. He isn't really interested in state intervention, just a classic low tax tory.

No doubt he will make a big announcement today to  starve some of the energy price increases and basically make a sales pitch to be the next pm. 

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Just now, The Fun Factory said:

Sunak has kept very quiet on the whole party gate and levelling up agenda. He isn't really interested in state intervention, just a classic low tax tory.

No doubt he will make a big announcement today to  starve some of the energy price increases and basically make a sales pitch to be the next pm. 

He’ll probably announce some kind of rebate or claimable benefit to offset energy costs.

Note, it will not be scrapping the 5% VAT on energy they said they’d do when they left the EU.

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34 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

Sunak has kept very quiet on the whole party gate and levelling up agenda. He isn't really interested in state intervention, just a classic low tax tory.

No doubt he will make a big announcement today to  starve some of the energy price increases and basically make a sales pitch to be the next pm. 

The BBC will need a bit of time of create a new graphic showing him as a superhero.

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