Graham t Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham t said: Why would they kick out the most popular P.M. in living memory....? VLD. It may be funny, but it happens to be a fact. VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2020 Strange facts and figures for the most popular PM in living memory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted August 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2020 Don't feed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Designer1 said: Don't feed. Aw. About the only funny thing about Tory Brexit is watching fuses pop in the broken and witless 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 26, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham t said: Why would they kick out the most popular P.M. in living memory....? He isn't any more is he? Isn't Starmer, for example, as you mentioned him, more popular? Whatever, Johnson's approval ratings are going down, he's getting slagged off by the tory press - ridiculed on front pages even. That doesn't augur well for him. And there's a storm coming with all the Brexit mess. U turns every week - it's like the last days of the Major Gov't, only worse and only a few months in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 What does VLD mean please ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 minute ago, blandy said: He isn't any more is he? Isn't Starmer, for example, as you mentioned him, more popular? Whatever, Johnson's approval ratings are going down, he's getting slagged off by the tory press - ridiculed on front pages even. That doesn't augur well for him. And there's a storm coming with all the Brexit mess. U turns every week - it's like the last days of the Major Gov't, only worse and only a few months in. I suppose the counter to that is that Starmer is not a Prime Minister, but the claim is absurd on its face. Tony Blair in 1997 is 'within living memory', as is Thatcher during the Falklands, or Churchill during WWII come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2020 Within living memory of a goldfish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 26, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I suppose the counter to that is that Starmer is not a Prime Minister Ah. Of course. Good point well made. Wishful thinking on my part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: Within living memory of a goldfish. I've not got the numbers in front of me, but I strongly suspect - given Theresa May's approval ratings at the start of the 2017 election campaign - that a person would need to be less than three and a half years old for that claim to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, blandy said: He isn't any more is he? Isn't Starmer, for example, as you mentioned him, more popular? Whatever, Johnson's approval ratings are going down, he's getting slagged off by the tory press - ridiculed on front pages even. That doesn't augur well for him. And there's a storm coming with all the Brexit mess. U turns every week - it's like the last days of the Major Gov't, only worse and only a few months in. Sorry , biggest majority since 1987.......and.....Prime Ministers are rarely popular during their term but suddenly become everyone's favourite at election time when the alternative becomes apparent.....as has just happened in the last election ( I won't tell you which way I voted, you will have to guess.....). VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Graham t said: Sorry , biggest majority since 1987.......and.....Prime Ministers are rarely popular during their term but suddenly become everyone's favourite at election time when the alternative becomes apparent.....as has just happened in the last election ( I won't tell you which way I voted, you will have to guess.....). VLD. The size of a majority is not a measure of how popular a Prime Minister is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: What does VLD mean please ? Voltron: Legendary Defender. Our Graham is a big fan. Edited August 26, 2020 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I always read it as Virgil Lan Dijk, and I'm happy with that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The size of a majority is not a measure of how popular a Prime Minister is. And even if it was, Blair in 97 was a bigger majority (almost double). And also, by the nature of Living Memory, 1987 is still within that time frame. Any way you spin it, the original claim was bunkum. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I’d strongly suspect that regardless of ‘satisfaction’, a snap general election for mid September would return a comfortable tory majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 26, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Graham t said: Sorry , biggest majority since 1987.......and.....Prime Ministers are rarely popular during their term but suddenly become everyone's favourite at election time when the alternative becomes apparent.....as has just happened in the last election ( I won't tell you which way I voted, you will have to guess.....). VLD. I guess that's true. Certainly the alternative was all kinds of dreadful and that helped Johnson. I guess the pandemic to start with also helped his ratings, but ever since it's been a downward trend. And the alternative has got significantly less bad, as far as I can tell/from my perspective, so that's a problem for the tories. Corbyn was basically an electoral asset for them in many places. Starmer isn't. Brexit is completely a Tory Brexit, they own it. It's not going to end well, there. I didn't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2020 Are we accepting things without challenging them now? 'Biggest majority since 1987' is completely false. 2001, 1997. Unless he meant Tory majority which is irrelevant considering the original claim wasn't 'most popular Tory PM' in living memory, which is still untrue considering 1987 is within living memory of a majority of the population... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, blandy said: I guess that's true. Certainly the alternative was all kinds of dreadful and that helped Johnson. I guess the pandemic to start with also helped his ratings, but ever since it's been a downward trend. And the alternative has got significantly less bad, as far as I can tell/from my perspective, so that's a problem for the tories. Corbyn was basically an electoral asset for them in many places. Starmer isn't. Brexit is completely a Tory Brexit, they own it. It's not going to end well, there. I didn't vote. I think you’ll find any problems with Brexit can be squarely laid at the door of remainer negativity, utterly unforeseeable events, and of course, Europe. Corbyn is still an electoral asset for them, they will flog the stain on the floor where that dead horse once lay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 26, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I think you’ll find any problems with Brexit can be squarely laid at the door of remainer negativity, utterly unforeseeable events, and of course, Europe. Corbyn is still an electoral asset for them, they will flog the stain on the floor where that dead horse once lay. yeah, I'm sure they'll try all that. Don't think it'll wash though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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