useless Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 We were losers under MON because we didn't achieve what we should have. We were comfortably 3rd with not long of the season to go and we threw it away because we didn't have the belief that we would actually do it. More because we lost the biggest winner we've had in our side since Paul McGrath. You can date our decline to the minute: Laursen's injury. Fwiw I agree that the world isn't divided into winners and losers, but Laursen was a very special player to have, and not just because he could defend. I think its fair to say it was a milestone....never replaced that calibre of commanding centre Half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. On the contrary, a small club achieving what they have in terms of league position, has been a small wonder, also factoring in how many managers they have had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It's a mentality thing, I remember Gary Neville saying on a Monday night football on sky that we are too nice, almost push overs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It took sherwood's comments to highlight this? Been clear as day for years. Even in the good times we completely bottle it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. On the contrary, a small club achieving what they have in terms of league position, has been a small wonder, also factoring in how many managers they have had. Just because a team are over achieving by their standards doesn't mean they're a team to be aspired to. Swansea are as good as they'll ever be, we should be aiming for higher and better. Edited May 31, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight Like Lions Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'm more interested in how Sherwood proposes to solve it. Raiding relegated teams for players is clearly not going to be a good strategy if he wants more winners in the team so looking forward to seeing who we are going after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. On the contrary, a small club achieving what they have in terms of league position, has been a small wonder, also factoring in how many managers they have had. Just because a team are over achieving by their standards doesn't mean they're a team to be aspired to. Swansea are as good as they'll ever be, we should be aiming for higher and better. Based on what exactly? In modern day football are we 'on average' better than a top 8 finish with the odd minor trophy thrown in there? Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Don't think its a losing mentality in the club at all, we just don't have good enough players. Benteke, Delph and Grealish are the best players at the club, but 3 players can't carry a whole team. There's too many championsship quality players in our team atm and we need an overhaul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. On the contrary, a small club achieving what they have in terms of league position, has been a small wonder, also factoring in how many managers they have had. Just because a team are over achieving by their standards doesn't mean they're a team to be aspired to. Swansea are as good as they'll ever be, we should be aiming for higher and better. Based on what exactly? In modern day football are we 'on average' better than a top 8 finish with the odd minor trophy thrown in there? Not really. Swansea have hit their glass ceiling. We've been better and should be aiming to be just as good again. Even if we don't get there we stand a better chance of having some relative success trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. On the contrary, a small club achieving what they have in terms of league position, has been a small wonder, also factoring in how many managers they have had. Just because a team are over achieving by their standards doesn't mean they're a team to be aspired to. Swansea are as good as they'll ever be, we should be aiming for higher and better. Based on what exactly? In modern day football are we 'on average' better than a top 8 finish with the odd minor trophy thrown in there? Not really. We've won the European Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'd say aspiring to be like Swansea City, is indicative of a losing mentality. On the contrary, a small club achieving what they have in terms of league position, has been a small wonder, also factoring in how many managers they have had. Just because a team are over achieving by their standards doesn't mean they're a team to be aspired to. Swansea are as good as they'll ever be, we should be aiming for higher and better. Based on what exactly? In modern day football are we 'on average' better than a top 8 finish with the odd minor trophy thrown in there? Not really. Swansea have hit their glass ceiling. We've been better and should be aiming to be just as good again. Even if we don't get there we stand a better chance of having some relative success trying. But it's half a decade since we've been better and even then it wasn't that much better and we nearly went bust being slightly better. The fact that we are still recovering from that shows that we were trying to punch way way way above our weight. Swansea don't break the bank and they sell their best players and they are achieving pretty much what we did in a more competitive top half. So Im not sure we have been better tbh when you take everything into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Historically we've been better. I don't think a team like Aston Villa or any other team, becomes winners by aspiring to be a mid-table team. I can't imagine Everton, Tottenham or even Newcastle fans doing such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Lambert with his framed 6-1 win over Sunderland headline in his office has to be the most small time, used-to-losing thing I've heard of in my 20 years of following Aston Villa. Embarrassing. That and Lerner's letter from SAF that he tucked away in a safety deposit box. CRIIIIIINGE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yeah historically over 30 years ago. No one outside villa park cares just like we don't about other teams history. Football has evolved. Swansea have adapted to that over the last few years and gone in the right direction from a starting position much worse than us. We on the other hand have adapted appallingly wasting millions after millions in the process. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villarocker Posted May 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2015 Wigan and Small Heath won the cup against top opposition. Not because they were losers or winners - they just showed up and wanted it more. Our team, in terms of individual quality, had a better chance than the aforementioned teams but, they didn't want it. Sherwood's right. They've fought relegation for four years and as a result they've become used to losing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Players who don't believe are a waste of space. Most of our team wouldn't get into a majority of other prem teams. AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Guess this "losers" is Sherwoods version of the Paul Lambert "proper man" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 It's a mentality thing, I remember Gary Neville saying on a Monday night football on sky that we are too nice, almost push overs. I didn't hear it but I agree with it....I think it is glaring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yeah its not something that is just becoming evident. We take so many thumpings. The amount of games we've lost in a matter of minutes with quick fire goals for the opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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