ml1dch Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Major party leader I believe since 2010. Thanks - but I'm pretty sceptical then. More than the hundreds of thousands of pounds of free holidays, wallpaper, takeaways, wedding facilities etc that Johnson received AND the half dozen other guys and girls as well as him? If that is true, then I'd agree it's pretty scandalous. But it doesn't sound true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted 20 hours ago VT Supporter Share Posted 20 hours ago 16 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Thanks - but I'm pretty sceptical then. More than the hundreds of thousands of pounds of free holidays, wallpaper, takeaways, wedding facilities etc that Johnson received AND the half dozen other guys and girls as well as him? If that is true, then I'd agree it's pretty scandalous. But it doesn't sound true. Having looked into further, Starmer lead the way on entertainment gifts. Others beat him in other capacities. But the next closest to Starmer on entertainment was barely more than half what he got. It also seems that ministers don't have ti declare hospitality they receive in an official capacity, which probably helps obscure some noses in the trough. But regardless, it's **** grim and not on, not excusable, and is obviously improper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted 20 hours ago Moderator Share Posted 20 hours ago Is Starmers entertainment mainly going to watch Arsenal? (genuinely no idea) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted 19 hours ago VT Supporter Share Posted 19 hours ago 6 minutes ago, bickster said: Is Starmers entertainment mainly going to watch Arsenal? (genuinely no idea) Most of it is football tickets from various parties, but it also includes concert tickets, a holiday, etc etc. I'm not sure his being an Arsenal fan particularly forgives it. If he'd got £70k of watches, whiskey, wine it wouldn't be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago I wish someone would buy me a new suit. I'm as tight as a drum and my current George at Asda suit is getting a bit threadbare! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Stein Ringen of the Department of Social Policy and Intervention at Oxford University, claims that Thatcher changed the constitution by concentrating all the power in Downing Street, so we have ended up with a series of autocrats, which Starmer seems determined to continue. This might account for the increasing gulf between what the government does and what the people think they voted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 10 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: This might account for the increasing gulf between what the government does and what the people think they voted for. To be fair, I’d put this down to people’s level of interest in politics coupled with their comprehension skills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago An so it starts. Doctors pay rise, train drivers pay rise. Pharmacists now, "where's ours now we offer all these services". Who will be next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted 8 hours ago Moderator Share Posted 8 hours ago Oh Noe’s! The absolute outrage of people getting payrises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: An so it starts. Doctors pay rise, train drivers pay rise. Pharmacists now, "where's ours now we offer all these services". Who will be next? I guess you’ve had a few pay rises over the last few years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted 8 hours ago Moderator Share Posted 8 hours ago 12 hours ago, tonyh29 said: there aint half a lot of , "yeah but" defences going on in this thread considering people have no affiliation to the party under attack Liz Truss. Bunter. Catweazle (if he’d won) - completely unsuited to be prime minister. Sunak like a YTS PM. Cameron and May and Starmer probably just about pass the test (whatever you think of their politics). So it’s not “yeah but” to think Britain has been appallingly led by low grade PMs for a decade or so. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Genie said: I guess you’ve had a few pay rises over the last few years? Not if my company had a 20 billion black hole I wouldn't have. To be fair they should have the pay rise and investment. But as I said, everyone in the public sector will want it, an the black hole will just get bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago The Tories will be pleased with this current chat about Starmer's expenses. It's the start of the chipping away at his image of the principled lawyer, and it's been effective. Starmer can only blame himself for that, he has accepted an awful lot of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Just now, foreveryoung said: Not if my company had a 20 billion black hole I wouldn't have. To be fair they should have the pay rise and investment. But as I said, everyone in the public sector will want it, an the black hole will just get bigger The black hole situation will be much worse if public sector staff are continually underpaid, then leave. They are real people, with real lives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 10 hours ago, chrisp65 said: To be fair, I’d put this down to people’s level of interest in politics coupled with their comprehension skills. That sir is a very rosy view. Although I think "comprehension skills" is likely to be a euphemism for a sufficient degree of political cynicism. Knowing the betting prior to the election would offer us a clue either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted 7 hours ago Moderator Share Posted 7 hours ago Starmer accepting hospitality from the Premier League is somewhat troublesome in itself as he's pledged to introduce an independent regular into football (which obviously won't happen, because FIFA and EUFA won't allow it) It was the emptiest of manifesto items 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago I have to accept corporate hospitality, for security reasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted 7 hours ago Moderator Share Posted 7 hours ago 6 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I have to accept corporate hospitality, for security reasons. Tbf there is a substantial difference between never going to be and actually is Prime Minister. (Corbyn also looks like the least interested fan in the world in that picture too) If you wanted to do the analogy it would be Sunak at Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago A comparison with a Labour leader, and Rishi Sunak comes out of it looking in touch with the common person. **** me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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