MakemineVanilla Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I guess my take would be that a) it was in her manifesto so it wasn't done by stealth and b) they didn't actually remove it , where as Kier Shipman actually has removed it despite opening using it for political gain along with his MP's not so long ago My main criticism of the last government is that they lied when they made their promises and my contempt for politics is no way diminished because both the major parties do it with impunity. Lying to parliament is the ultimate no-no but lying to the electorate carries no sanction whatsoever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Sunday at 11:26 Share Posted Sunday at 11:26 Starmer should hire a new PA to fill in those gifting forms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 11:52 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 11:52 24 minutes ago, Jareth said: Starmer should hire a new PA to fill in those gifting forms. It was Starmer who reported the error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted Sunday at 12:06 Share Posted Sunday at 12:06 You've got to laugh that the political class's idea of anticorruption is to simply publicly disclose which bribes they've accepted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Sunday at 12:12 Share Posted Sunday at 12:12 20 minutes ago, bickster said: It was Starmer who reported the error. Starmer does his own admin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 12:23 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 12:23 3 minutes ago, Jareth said: Starmer does his own admin? Why isn't the headline about Starmer's staff? Starmer is responsible regardless of whom actually filled out the form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Sunday at 12:26 Share Posted Sunday at 12:26 Just now, bickster said: Why isn't the headline about Starmer's staff? Starmer is responsible regardless of whom actually filled out the form. Personally I don't much care about the issue, seems like nothing. But he was either too busy or didn't record it for a reason - he should say why it happened. His reasoning is that he hadn't realised it should be recorded until now. It's a bit bonkers as a reason because a gift is a gift whether it's money or not, and he would know. Begs the question what else has he misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 12:26 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 12:26 17 minutes ago, Davkaus said: You've got to laugh that the political class's idea of anticorruption is to simply publicly disclose which bribes they've accepted. Imagine the state of the newspapers if the PMs wife turned up looking a show at a state function And yes I agree with you but this kind of thing where people are expected to dress for occasions should come out of the public purse but they don't because the media would have a field day with that too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 12:28 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 12:28 Just now, Jareth said: But he was either too busy or didn't record it for a reason - he should say why it happened Tell us you haven't read the quotes without saying it. An explanation has been given. It might be bollocks but it isn't either of the two possibilities you've stated are the only binary options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted Sunday at 12:29 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 12:29 1 minute ago, Jareth said: he should say why it happened He has, I think. Something about he was told by the reporting people that a previous gift to his wife, he didn’t need to declare. Think I saw that in my newsfeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Sunday at 12:35 Share Posted Sunday at 12:35 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Tell us you haven't read the quotes without saying it. An explanation has been given. It might be bollocks but it isn't either of the two possibilities you've stated are the only binary options. He said he's recorded financial donations, but was told gifts also need to be recorded. How does he not know this? I'd like to hear the real reason he didn't declare the gifts. Unless he's said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted Sunday at 12:58 Share Posted Sunday at 12:58 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Starmer should hire a new PA to fill in those gifting forms. What have I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 13:06 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 13:06 22 minutes ago, Jareth said: He said he's recorded financial donations, but was told gifts also need to be recorded. How does he not know this? I'd like to hear the real reason he didn't declare the gifts. Unless he's said that? That doesn't match any quotes I've read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted Sunday at 13:24 Share Posted Sunday at 13:24 (edited) Question: If Starmer felt the need to identify with the working-class as Keir Hardie did, when he turned up to Parliament, what should he wear these days? Edited Sunday at 13:25 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Sunday at 14:02 Share Posted Sunday at 14:02 53 minutes ago, bickster said: That doesn't match any quotes I've read Via Lammy Quote The prime minister did declare funds that he received from Lord Alli. Quote The prime minister reportedly approached parliamentary authorities on Tuesday to make a late declaration after being given fresh advice on what items needed to be disclosed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8djply3z18o So he knew he needed to declare money. But got confused over gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 14:10 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 14:10 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: Via Lammy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8djply3z18o So he knew he needed to declare money. But got confused over gifts. Neither of those are quotes and neither of those indicate what you claim they do, in fact the last bit of the second quoted BBC content is the give away here but you seem to be ignoring it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Sunday at 14:12 Share Posted Sunday at 14:12 Just now, bickster said: Neither of those are quotes and neither of those indicate what you claim they do, in fact the last bit of the second quote is the give away here but you seem to be ignoring it Ok, you don't get it, can't be arsed to keep explaining the obvious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 14:19 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 14:19 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: Ok, you don't get it, can't be arsed to keep explaining the obvious I don't get why you're inventing the confusion over gifts, no-one has said this that is involved. Yes the donation was a gift, that may not be where the change in advice given was. No-one has said what the change in advice was, it may be to do with spousal rules and not gifts, for example. You are making stuff up in your head that isn't there. Advice from office was taken, further advice taken and declaration made as a result of changed advice. GIven that members, and plenty of them from all sides have failed to declare on time for a whole host of reasons including the "I forgot" and nothing happens, then this really isn't the gotcha you think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted Sunday at 14:47 Moderator Share Posted Sunday at 14:47 ... and in fact in the very article you've linked to from the BBC @Jareth Quote Lord Alli has previously bought clothes and glasses for Sir Keir, which have been listed on his entry on the register of MPs' interests. BBC So it's highly unlikely to be as you suggest, that Starmer didn't know gifts had to be declared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted Sunday at 15:01 Share Posted Sunday at 15:01 Even Ramsay MacDonald accepted gifts, back in 1924. Cameron had his suits donated and as a Savile Row suit can cost around £5k for a decent one, and Starmer will need more than one, a sartorial upgrade would cost a decent chunk of dough. The thing about expensive tailoring is that it can cover up a multitude of physical defects, including scoliosis, asymmetry and middle-age spread. He's not what you might call good-looking and so at least when he's being photographed with a bunch of world leaders, he's not going to be the guy in the cheap suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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