MakemineVanilla Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, foreveryoung said: You watch them scrap the 25% discount on council tax for people living alone in the budget. Seems, they maybe all shit scared to touch the rich. Socialists hate class traitors and the petite bourgeoisie the most. In fiction it is the petite bourgeoisie who are always the villains, as in Steinbeck's, The Grapes of Wrath and Zola's Germinal. The accusation is always: they think they are better than us! So Starmer's going after those who might have a few bob they "don't need". Edited September 12 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 56 minutes ago, pas5898 said: My wife (32 years old) has an issue, which is strongly linked to Ovarian cancer to which she's had 2 family members pass away. I'm no doctor but with potential cancers time is EVERYTHING. She went to her GP, had a scan within 4 days on the NHS, the GP called the next day, said she's quite concerned about her results and referring her to a specialist which was really quick. Unfortunately, there's at least a 2-4 month wait to see the specialist (no one will tell us how long). We managed to see the exact same specialist within 12 hours, privately for £275. They recommended a biopsy (to check for cancer) and some tissue removal for comfort. On the NHS is another 2-4 months so 4-8 months in total - or for £3-5,000 it can be done privately next week. I am absolutely no fan of labour - but the NHS is completely broken. It's a 10 year fix at least. I genuinely think in a lot of cases it's go private or die. Same happened with my Uncle and prostate cancer. Would have had to wait 6 months for the NHS surgery (with drugs to apparently temper it in the meantime), instead he shelled out (lucky he can) privately and got it done and is now in the clear. You are basically left to die. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 12 Moderator Share Posted September 12 24 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Socialists Your theory fails at the first word 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 12 Moderator Share Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: I genuinely think in a lot of cases it's go private or die. Same happened with my Uncle and prostate cancer. Would have had to wait 6 months for the NHS surgery (with drugs to apparently temper it in the meantime), instead he shelled out (lucky he can) privately and got it done and is now in the clear. You are basically left to die. Exactly. That’s the problem with ideology in a crisis. It’s why Starmer, or Streeting or whoever it is deciding, is potentially right to do what they are doing. It’s broken and people are suffering because of it. It needs fixing, but fixing it isn’t just carrying on as you are, but with more money for it. It’s more broken than just finances. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 The NHS is shit. And it will stay shit until people realise there are alternative systems that work much better and it's not just the UK or US, with nothing in between. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 13 minutes ago, Risso said: The NHS is shit. And it will stay shit until people realise there are alternative systems that work much better and it's not just the UK or US, with nothing in between. Throw another 10 billion at it, that'll make it better. It'll stay the same until they start the reform. As for going private, it's generally the same doctors contracted to the NHS a couple of days a week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted September 12 Popular Post Share Posted September 12 I can't disagree with others that the NHS is shit now. It is broken. It wasn't shit in 2010 though when satisfaction levels in the NHS were at the highest levels they have ever been, and almost certainly ever will be now. There have been many crimes by the Tories over the last 14 years but the wilful destruction of our NHS is the biggest one. Right from the get go they set it up fail. How you get it back to what it was from where it is now seems almost like an impossible task. Social care, which was decimated since 2010, needs major investment to ease the situation with bed blocking. There needs to be more GP's/GP appointments available to stop the need to visit A&E. Those two things would be a decent starting point and ones that could achieve noticeable differences quickly. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, Xann said: Hunt's term in charge crippled the NHS a decade ago. The cash grab is already in the system, with more come into law just before the election. far be it from me to avoid the opportunity to give a good virtual shoeing to Lansley before him too while we're apportioning blame. Paved the way... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 41 minutes ago, bickster said: Your theory fails at the first word There is at least one and he's the guy who had the balls to vote "no". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 5 hours ago, foreveryoung said: You watch them scrap the 25% discount on council tax for people living alone in the budget. Seems, they maybe all shit scared to touch the rich. If they do they won't get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 3 hours ago, Risso said: The NHS is shit. And it will stay shit until people realise there are alternative systems that work much better and it's not just the UK or US, with nothing in between. Yes it's a huge white elephant costing way too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted September 12 Popular Post Share Posted September 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, markavfc40 said: There needs to be more GP's/GP appointments available to stop the need to visit A&E This is the priority for me. Stop clogging up A&E with minor complaints make it easier to see a GP. If you ever need to call 111 all they do is say go to A&E. Edited September 12 by Genie 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 39 minutes ago, Genie said: This is the priority for me. Stop clogging up A&E with minor complaints make it easier to see a GP. If you ever need to call 111 all they do is say go to A&E. Bang on! It's shocking no one in the Labour Party realises this is the obvious start to a reform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Bang on! It's shocking no one in the Labour Party realises this is the obvious start to a reform. Why do you think that they haven’t realised it? One of the first things they did was a deal to end junior doctors strike. Edited September 12 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted September 12 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 12 If the NHS is a white elephant we all need to go home and give up. It needs investment and structural reform. It's going to get private business gnawing on its bones and leaving the shitty bits of it to rot, until a few governments time when 'it's simply not viable anymore' and in comes private health insurance en masse where any significant health issue might be bankruptcy or death. Because profit matters more. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 4 hours ago, Risso said: The NHS is shit. And it will stay shit until people realise there are alternative systems that work much better and it's not just the UK or US, with nothing in between. Agree completely, unfortunately for both main political parties in the UK, reform of the health service means becoming more like the US (just as we have done in other areas of social policy since the 1980s) It would be good to see professional associations and pressure groups advocating for more innovative approaches to raise awareness and build support, but I can't see this happening tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 12 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12 (edited) 16 hours ago, Chindie said: 'NHS to reform or die'. Good time to invest in medical businesses, they're going to be handing out private contracts like sweets. CEOs across the world will be salivating. 36 minutes ago, Chindie said: If the NHS is a white elephant we all need to go home and give up. It needs investment and structural reform. It's going to get private business gnawing on its bones and leaving the shitty bits of it to rot, until a few governments time when 'it's simply not viable anymore' and in comes private health insurance en masse where any significant health issue might be bankruptcy or death. Because profit matters more. Isn't reform what they're suggesting. Edited September 12 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 4 hours ago, Risso said: The NHS is shit. And it will stay shit until people realise there are alternative systems that work much better and it's not just the UK or US, with nothing in between. Since 1997 the population has increased by 10m and you can't expect the NHS to function properly without a proportionate increase in funding. If the government are to invite the world to come here, they need to build the infrastructure to cope with the extra demand and can't just blame the electorate for noticing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 56 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: 1 hour ago, Genie said: This is the priority for me. Stop clogging up A&E with minor complaints make it easier to see a GP. Bang on! It's shocking no one in the Labour Party realises this is the obvious start to a reform. Labour do realise this and has already stated they will immediately recruit an extra 1000 GP's (and yes there were remarkably that many and far more looking for work under the last government) which will be a start but like most of what has been left behind by the Tories it will take years to completely fix. Edited September 12 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Labour do realise this and has already stated they will immediately recruit an extra 1000 GP's (and yes there were remarkably that many and far more looking for work under the last government) which will be a start but like most of what has been left behind by the Tories it will take years to completely fix. An I'm gonna buy a Lambourghini tomorrow As if it was that easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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