limpid Posted July 31 Administrator Share Posted July 31 11 hours ago, Davkaus said: Absolutely devastated that a couple of corridors in my local hospital aren't getting a lick of paint and some new seats in the waiting area alongside a ribbon-cutting event to open the new hospital They can't paint the corridors as there are patients in the way, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, one_ian_taylor said: 3 As I understand, one of the biggest issues is lack of GPs/primary care, meaning that too many people go to hospital. However, I think increasing primary care is within Labour's plans. as is increasing public health provision, i.e. prevention rather than cure. Aside from their plan to cut waiting lists (which I don't know how well will work - from the pre-election debates etc, it seemed to me to rely too much on worker goodwill, though albeit fixing the pay situation will help on that front), aiming to increase public health and primary care provision seems like a sensible plan over the long term. As for your point about complaining about less access to hospitals, not nit building non existent new hospitals won't change that. But I am very lucky where I am both for GP and hospital provision, appreciate others aren't. But the cancelled spending plans also won't affect GP provision. I'm no expert on this, but I read MD in Private Eye who is. New issue out today, so will be interesting to see what his take on he new government is. Its abit yes and no. We alluded to same point about staffing - there is shortage of nurses and doctors so you cant do new hospitals without them. Therefore doing the pay increase will certainly help in that area. But in my local area where we cant get appointments started when they closed two hospitals and some gps (or merged them) as that added pressure to the ones that were left. Not a fan of scrapping building new hospitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, sidcow said: What is absolutely clear is that National Insurance should never have been cut. You always knew it was an insane strategy designed to **** up next administration. So the nhs can waste more money. Im more in favour of nhs reform than throwing more money at it so more can get wasted. Once thats done then consider NI rise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 31 Moderator Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: So the nhs can waste more money. Im more in favour of nhs reform than throwing more money at it so more can get wasted. Once thats done then consider NI rise. The logical conclusion of this is that you improve the NHS by starving it of money. Not that there's an actual direct link between the NI being lowered and NHS funding in the first place. I don't get the logic of this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: So the nhs can waste more money. Im more in favour of nhs reform than throwing more money at it so more can get wasted. Once thats done then consider NI rise. You’ve previously agreed that people in one job are not good at performing tasks of a different job when they are covering the work of others. That people employed to do one thing end up always having to incompetently try and do something else. How would you reform this, without additional money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, bickster said: The logical conclusion of this is that you improve the NHS by starving it of money. Not that there's an actual direct link between the NI being lowered and NHS funding in the first place. I don't get the logic of this post "The logic" of the post is because so much money is wasted in it. Lets stop giving more money until we stop the wastage of money before we throw more at it. You would bs suprised how much we could save 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Prioritise what’s more important 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: You’ve previously agreed that people in one job are not good at performing tasks of a different job when they are covering the work of others. That people employed to do one thing end up always having to incompetently try and do something else. How would you reform this, without additional money? Before you do reform you need to find areas where money is wasted. So get a independent body in get them to investigate the nhs from top to bottom. It could take up to 12 months or longer but that dont matter if saves nhs money long term. Some of my suggestions Overtime for admin staff The bandings of admin staff (how can a operation manager be eearning more than a junior doctor/SHO/registrar ) Look at the long term sickness policy as too many people take the piss Money wasted on projects that either not improved the nhs or made it worse.these are just a few in top of my head without having accessto being involved in this independent body.then start throwing more money at it. Absolutely pointless throwing more money at it with no plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 37 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: So the nhs can waste more money. Im more in favour of nhs reform than throwing more money at it so more can get wasted. Once thats done then consider NI rise. NI can also be spent on many other things. You were complaining about the 2 child benefit cap for example. The NI cut cost more than the cap saves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 Just now, Demitri_C said: Before you do reform you need to find areas where money is wasted. So get a independent body in get them to investigate the nhs from top to bottom. It could take up to 12 months or longer but that dont matter if saves nhs money long term. Some of my suggestions Overtime for admin staff The bandings of admin staff (how can a operation manager be eearning more than a junior doctor/SHO/registrar ) Look at the long term sickness policy as too many people take the piss Money wasted on projects that either not improved the nhs or made it worse.these are just a few in top of my head without having accessto being involved in this independent body.then start throwing more money at it. Absolutely pointless throwing more money at it with no plan Yeah, but just imagine if they did that, stopped wastage AND had enough money to function. Maybe we'd even get dentistry back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: NI can also be spent on many other things. You were complaining about the 2 child benefit cap for example. The NI cut cost more than the cap saves. I think you need to read what i wrote dav. I didnt say i was opposed to NI rise just that at present we need to stop throwing money at NHS and look at fundamental failures in it thats wasting money. Save there before throwing more at it. And yes i have a heart hence why i am against the 2 cap and pensions austerity measures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Demitri_C said: I think you need to read what i wrote dav. I didnt say i was opposed to NI rise just that at present we need to stop throwing money at NHS and look at fundamental failures in it thats wasting money. Save there before throwing more at it. And yes i have a heart hence why i am against the 2 cap and pensions austerity measures I think you need to read what @sidcow wrote in the post you were quoting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I think you need to read what @sidcow wrote in the post you were quoting No, please don't 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Yeah, but just imagine if they did that, stopped wastage AND had enough money to function. Maybe we'd even get dentistry back. Denistry is a huge issue i agree but you need to look at the failings so the money isnt wasted further Edited July 31 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 31 Administrator Share Posted July 31 19 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I think you need to read what i wrote dav. I didnt say i was opposed to NI rise just that at present we need to stop throwing money at NHS and look at fundamental failures in it thats wasting money. Save there before throwing more at it. I don't understand why both can't happen at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 Just now, limpid said: I don't understand why both can't happen at the same time. Because that seems to have been whats happened in the last few years. More money ploughed in and no improvement. If anything its got worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 31 Administrator Share Posted July 31 Just now, Demitri_C said: Because that seems to have been whats happened in the last few years. More money ploughed in and no improvement. If anything its got worse. But that means only one of the things has happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I think procurement contracts for the NHS also needs looking at, I am sure there are firms that supply stuff for the NHS making an absolute fortune. This "stuff" is not specialist equipment its things like lamps, cleaning products, paint etc Obviously of course those whom profiteered from ppe in the Covid crises by supplying shoddy and useless equipment should be chased down for the money (unlikely) but also disbarred from supplying any goods to the NHS in the future. The government is probably unlikely to recover any of the dosh but it should be seen to act to at least show others attempting to defraud the NHS that they will not get away "scott free" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 The NHS would save ££££ buying painkillers from Lidl. Like the other services it's been engineered to make easy profits for some. It's not like it hasn't been discussed here over time, you wouldn't think so reading some of the posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 31 Moderator Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, delboy54 said: I think procurement contracts for the NHS also needs looking at My missus has to buy stuff for her department. It is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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