Davkaus Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Plenty of places. Gun murder capital of Europe Sky Going from "murder capital" to "gun murder capital" is a fairly substantial moving of the goalposts, tbf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 52 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Plenty of places. Gun murder capital of Europe Sky Interesting reading and thanks for providing the links. Gun murder capital of the EU is a bad enough moniker. You didn't need to exaggerate it to murder capital of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 53 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Interesting reading and thanks for providing the links. Gun murder capital of the EU is a bad enough moniker. You didn't need to exaggerate it to murder capital of the world. Then I think you need to re read what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Going from "murder capital" to "gun murder capital" is a fairly substantial moving of the goalposts, tbf It really isn’t when the deaths by firearms accounts for roughly 60-80% of the murders in Sweden. Places like Moldova and Albania might beat Sweden if you also include knives, but what does that say about Sweden? Per capita Sweden is EUs murder capital, with Uppsala, Malmö and Gothenburg on a pretty hefty downward spiral. 4th of July saw something akin to what we see in the US when several people were shot and killed in just one night. Edited July 12 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 7 minutes ago, magnkarl said: It really isn’t when the deaths by firearms accounts for roughly 60-80% of the murders in Sweden. Places like Moldova and Albania might beat Sweden if you also include knives, but what does that say about Sweden? Per capita Sweden is EUs murder capital, with Uppsala, Malmö and Gothenburg on a pretty hefty downward spiral. It is not the murder capital per capita. Sweden is towards the top (but not top) for gun related murders, but not for all murders. Significantly lower than the UK and France, among others Which suggests that either Sweden's gun laws are a problem, or they're much better at reducing other forms of murder like knife crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 29 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Then I think you need to re read what I wrote. Ok, murder capital of Europe. I apologise. The point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 Im suprised with the Swedish numbers if true. When i went i felt very selt. Alot safer than in most of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I don’t think I’ve ever felt unsafe anywhere in the U.K. and I’ve been to Croydon. It may be an age thing, ignorance, natural alpha wolf instincts, or I’m the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 12/07/2024 at 07:28, Jareth said: Which countries share our morals? On 12/07/2024 at 09:08, Stevo985 said: The white ones Surely the discussion can be better than this? Do we consider that some countries do live by a different set of values from others? I am certain for example that people in many countries with laws based on religious beliefs consider that we in the west live decadent, hedonistic lifestyles and don’t share their morals. So is it possible to say that we don’t share the same morals as every other society without subtly being accused of being a racist bigot? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 13 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, LondonLax said: Surely the discussion can be better than this? Do we consider that some countries do live by a different set of values from others? I am certain for example that people in many countries with laws based on religious beliefs consider that we in the west live decadent, hedonistic lifestyles and don’t share their morals. So is it possible to say that we don’t share the same morals as every other society without subtly being accused of being a racist bigot? Yes of course. However, my comment was relevant to the context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 17 hours ago, Davkaus said: It is not the murder capital per capita. Sweden is towards the top (but not top) for gun related murders, but not for all murders. Significantly lower than the UK and France, among others Which suggests that either Sweden's gun laws are a problem, or they're much better at reducing other forms of murder like knife crime. Though gun laws are in place. The issue seems to be gangs murdering each other with collateral deaths. The two gangs in question are Kurdish and Syrian. Most of the murders are done by kids who came to Sweden via its very liberal immigration policies. Sweden has let something like 100.000 immigrants from outside of the EU into their country every year for many years in a row. It’s a problem and the Swedish parliament is likely going to adopt similar laws to their neighbour and the same people who think importing 100.000 people a year with totally different moral values to theirs will moan and hiss racism while offering no credible solution other than hot air. Cultures are different. When you can’t integrate and settle the people you take in you get this sort of situation. Edited July 13 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted July 13 Moderator Share Posted July 13 Can someone make the next post about the Labour Party please. Because the posts above this one have very little to do with that subject. Keep to the subject of the topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I bet Starmer is quietly pleased he doesn’t have to deal with calls for a bank holiday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 15 Moderator Share Posted July 15 9 hours ago, Genie said: I bet Starmer is quietly pleased he doesn’t have to deal with calls for a bank holiday. Assassination threat recedes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 13 hours ago, Genie said: I bet Starmer is quietly pleased he doesn’t have to deal with calls for a bank holiday. He could have gone up in my books if he had I see lammys gone to speak to israel PM about ending the war. Im sure Israel listened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 15 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15 U, U-turn, when the crowd says bo, selecta Quote Earlier this month, the Guardian reported that Labour government would drop its attempt to delay the ICC's decision. The report by Maariv came after reports last week that the US was lobbying the Labour government to not to drop the legal challenge. If the Maariv report is confirmed, it would suggest those lobbying efforts have been successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Bye bye Vaughan Gething, your brief time as First Minister was, undistinguished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyvillan Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Except that it was distinguished…..by being short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 17 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17 It's amazing how little opposition or bad press there is about nationalising the Railways. A few years ago this would have been seen as an unecessary madcap policy. Is it the never ending ticket increases/delays/strikes that have changed pretty much everyones opinion. It certainly has for me. 8 years ago it would have been right down the bottom of my wishes if I'd even have given it any thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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