Wainy316 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Whether you want to vote for him or not, at least Corbyn leading a proper party represents a choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Edit: being a div Edited November 18, 2015 by sharkyvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yep, Corbyn would stall and we would probably be bombed. Talking about scraping trident while this is all going on is absolute madness. We have to be able to defend ourselves if someone comes at us What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 30 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yep, Corbyn would stall and we would probably be bombed. Talking about scraping trident while this is all going on is absolute madness. We have to be able to defend ourselves if someone comes at us You want to Nuke ISIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 15 minutes ago, snowychap said: What are you on about? I don't think even Demmers knows what he's on about there Snowster. What a bizzare rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Ken Livingston given the task of defence review for the Labour party including Trident ....can't even begin to guess what the anti-nuclear campaigner views are on Trident ....should be a fun few weeks with him and Maria Eagle .... I don't think his views being anti trident are any more relevant than whatever tory does the tory defence review being pro trident is - i.e. someone's views on trident (for or against) doesn't disqualify them from co-chairing a review. Suspect it's more to do with Corbyn trying to "manage" the outcome by having someone he trusts on the review committee, as Eagles is pro trident. Politicians of all parties "manage" outcomes all the time. But as Labour won't get elected with Corbyn as leader, it matters not a jot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2015 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: The man is utterly unelectable and I say that as a lifetime Labour voter. I won't be voting for him or the party next time around. The man is totally electable and I say that as someone who hasn't voted Labour for 20 plus years I will be voting for him and the party next time around 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Yep, Corbyn would stall and we would probably be bombed. Talking about scraping trident while this is all going on is absolute madness. We have to be able to defend ourselves if someone comes at us This nuclear deterrent has worked so well recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 nuclear deterrent is pretty piss-weak against the terrorism we are facing and are likely to face in the future. Be it lone wolf or these terrorist cells, not one of those **** are going to think "hey up lads, they've got a missile on a sub" and rein it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 18 minutes ago, bickster said: This nuclear deterrent has so well recently It prevented the 9/11 attacks It prevented the 7/7 attacks It prevented the recent Paris attacks. errr ..... I'm not really sure what it's meant to be preventing? The ruskies dropping a nuke on us? Korea? But ... We're DOOOOMED without it!! Bizarre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 24 minutes ago, bickster said: The man is totally electable and I say that as someone who hasn't voted Labour for 20 plus years I will be voting for him and the party next time around Aye. If he continues in this vein, and sticks to his principles, then maybe. Toss up between Jez or Green. TBH Green ticks all the right boxes for me, and Jez still has the problem of the rest of the Blairites to contend with, so we'll see. But he's started well .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 24 minutes ago, bickster said: This nuclear deterrent has so well recently Against current threats, it's useless. Who knows what the world will look like in twenty years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 32 minutes ago, blandy said: I don't think his views being anti trident are any more relevant than whatever tory does the tory defence review being pro trident is - i.e. someone's views on trident (for or against) doesn't disqualify them from co-chairing a review. Suspect it's more to do with Corbyn trying to "manage" the outcome by having someone he trusts on the review committee, as Eagles is pro trident. Politicians of all parties "manage" outcomes all the time. But as Labour won't get elected with Corbyn as leader, it matters not a jot. To paraphrase your very own recent words this is the Labour thread , so what the Tories would do is not relevant and thus you should post them in the Tory thread ... so as it stands this is nothing other than " Ahhh but " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 32 minutes ago, bickster said: The man is totally electable and I say that as someone who hasn't voted Labour for 20 plus years I will be voting for him and the party next time around yes but thankfully the sane ones amongst us don't share your view but I look forward to 2020 so you can no longer claim to not be a Labour voter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2015 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: To paraphrase your very own recent words this is the Labour thread , so what the Tories would do is not relevant and thus you should post them in the Tory thread ... so as it stands this is nothing other than " Ahhh but " last time, I left out criticism of the other party and you had a go at me, so I include it, this time and you have a go. Can't win, I guess. Let me phrase what I said another way - Livingstone's views on trident are irrelevant. If the pre-requisite for chairing a review was that you had to have no views, then there would be no-one suitable for any review, That was and is my point. It's far from "ah but" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, blandy said: last time, I left out criticism of the other party and you had a go at me, so I include it, this time and you have a go. Can't win, I guess. Last time I commented that your example was very myopic and got told "in the tory thread there's not much point of generally saying my views on the labour party. That's off topic for this thread. " I was just pointing out the hypocrisy rather than having a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2015 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: I was just pointing out the hypocrisy rather than having a go There is no hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2015 20 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: yes but thankfully the sane ones amongst us don't share your view but I look forward to 2020 so you can no longer claim to not be a Labour voter Actually I posted it more to prove that whilst there are some that share Trent's view there are also others that have the exact opposite view. So whilst some people may not vote Labour who previously have there are also lots of others who may now do so for the first time in decades. Personally whilst I am leaning towards what I posted I'm also pretty much still on the fence atop which I've sat for some considerable time and when it comes down to it, I'll be choosing between Green and Labour but I'll need to read manifestos first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 yep, similar situation here Currently a bit of a 3 way split, Plaid / Labour / No vote I'll decide based on policies closer to the actual day, rather than making my mind up already! I like to give everyone a fair chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 15 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: yep, similar situation here Currently a bit of a 3 way split, Plaid / Labour / No vote I'll decide based on policies closer to the actual day, rather than making my mind up already! I like to give everyone a fair chance. apart from the Tory bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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