snowychap Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, hippo said: The buffer he put in was that anyone standing must first foremost have the backing of a % of current MP'S. As I've said previously, I think that is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: As I've said previously, I think that is incorrect. Why ? - forget the current squabble. The rules for electing a leader are that anyone who stand (Incumbent Leader excepted) must receive the backing of 51 mp's (as Owen Smith and Angela Eagle has done) - and as Corbyn did last year - How is that incoorect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, CarewsEyebrowDesigner said: Owen Smith seems to be further to the right that Eagle and yet he's running to her left, so presumably his job is to split the Corbyn vote but he doesn't seem to have enough of a lefty background to do that really. I think the party will throw forward some big hitter when things are looking desperate, but they'll still lose because Corbyn has a big base that aren't going away any time soon. A split seems inevitable unless some real shenanigans prevent more voters from having their say or a real quality candidate appears from nowhere. Smith is to left of Eagle. Hes pretty close to Corbyn policy wise - but a better parliamentary person - I think he cares more about winning elections, than Corbyn who just wants to put a left wing agenda forward and isn't bothered if the electorate reject it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, hippo said: Why ? - forget the current squabble. The rules for electing a leader are that anyone who stand (Incumbent Leader excepted) must receive the backing of 51 mp's (as Owen Smith and Angela Eagle has done) - and as Corbyn did last year - How is that incoorect ? It is incorrect that Miliband introduced this and that it was some sort of 'buffer'. As per the parliamentary briefing paper on Labour Leadership elections (found as a pdf on this page): Quote The current rules were introduced in 2014. The previous rules required candidates to have the support of 12.5% of Commons Members of the Parliamentary Labour Party in order to stand for election if the post of leader or deputy leader were vacant. Going by this, it would suggest that no change was made from 2008 about the level of nominations in the case of there being no vacancy. Quote LABOUR PARTY The Labour Party Rule Book 2008 Chapter 4 2. Election of leader and deputy leader A. The leader and deputy leader shall be elected separately in accordance with rule C below, unless rule E below applies. B. Nomination i. In the case of a vacancy for leader or deputy leader, each nomination must be supported by 12.5 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void. ii. Where there is no vacancy, nominations shall be sought each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void. So it would appear that the only change to this* under Ed Miliband (as a result of the Collins Review, I believe) was to increase the threshold for nominations where there is a vacancy from 12.5% of the PLP to 15%. *Edit - by 'this' I mean the nomination part not the extension of OMOV. Edited July 13, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, hippo said: the backing of 51 mp's ... as Corbyn did last year Corbyn got 36 PLP nominations last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, snowychap said: Corbyn got 36 PLP nominations last year. OK - forget the figures - the point I am trying to make is that to stand first and foremost you need a certain % of MP'S - before you can be on the ballot that goes to the members. I believe where there is no vacancy you need 51 - were corbyn to resign (ie there is a vacancy) he would only need 36. Edited July 13, 2016 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 minute ago, hippo said: OK - forget the figures - the point I am trying to make is that to stand first and foremost you need a certain % of MP'S - before you can be on the ballot that goes to the members. Read my previous post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, snowychap said: Read my previous post! Read mine Im not sure what you are disputing. He would need 36 if there was a vacancy - 51 if there wasn't. edit - prior to last nights NEC Ruling. Edited July 13, 2016 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Im not sure what you are disputing. This: 45 minutes ago, hippo said: The buffer he put in was Where the 'he' is Ed Miliband. Edited July 13, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Just now, snowychap said: This: So you agree there is a buffer - but your point is that EM didn't put it in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, hippo said: So you agree there is a buffer - but your point is that EM didn't put it in ? A poster said: 3 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: Ed Miliband really did cock up the rules for the leadership election. I asked: 2 hours ago, snowychap said: How did he 'cock up the rules'? You replied 56 minutes ago, hippo said: The buffer he put in was that anyone standing must first foremost have the backing of a % of current MP'S. I replied (highlighting the 'he put in'): 47 minutes ago, snowychap said: As I've said previously, I think that is incorrect. You asked Why? so I went and got details of the leadership election nomination rules from the House of Commons briefing paper which said that the change made (in 2014 when Miliband was leader) was to increase the threshold when there is a vacancy from 12.5% to 15% and provided information (via an Essex University link) from the 2008 rule book concerning nominations when there isn't a vacancy which seems to suggest that this hasn't changed. Edited July 13, 2016 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Charming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Interesting that in the last leadership election 84% of £3 voters backed Corbyn. He still would have won because 49% of full members voted for him. (Per Labourlist) plenty of reports that amongst trade union members Corbyn's support has dipped (Unison are considering not endorsing any candidate ). If that is replicated in the full members then its very much 'Game on' Although some of rebels are saying the best case scenario that they can feasibly hope for is that he wins but with a reduced % of the vote. Edited July 13, 2016 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 13, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2016 This being reported by various sources on Twitter: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 13, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 13, 2016 Increadible interview with Joanne Baxter on Channel 4 at the moment. Corbyn coming across as allowing bullying. The guy is simply not fit to be in the job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I can't link it on my phone, but the video reaction of Angela Eagles being told Boris Johnson has been made Foreign Secretary is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 49 minutes ago, jon_c said: I can't link it on my phone, but the video reaction of Angela Eagles being told Boris Johnson has been made Foreign Secretary is priceless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 11 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Increadible interview with Joanne Baxter on Channel 4 at the moment. Corbyn coming across as allowing bullying. The guy is simply not fit to be in the job. Someone else wheeled out to bad mouth him? They really want him out don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 14, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, darrenm said: Someone else wheeled out to bad mouth him? They really want him out don't they? Perhaps you should see the interview and see just how upset she was, it was pretty clear she hadn't been 'wheeled' out. And yes they want him out because he is seemingly utterly incapable of doing the job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I read about it on the BBC. From what I could tell, her entire issue was that Corbyn (amongst others) had voted for a secret ballot. And apparently that causes bullying and she is upset by that. I'll try and find the video in case it's a completely different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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