Demitri_C Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 49 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I think UKIP are done - Farage has made an arse of himself over the last couple of weeks and the Conservatives will be looking for someone to carry the can for all and any fall out from Brexit. He's an unpopular man now and I suspect he'll be even more unpopular in a couple of months time. Thankfully, I think this dinosaur will shortly be joining the others. hmm i actually think the opposite i think he has become more popular recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 30, 2016 Moderator Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: hmm i actually think the opposite i think he has become more popular recently I think that embarrassing speech he delivered in Brussels has probably done for him. It might have helped if he hadn't had his Union Jack upside down. He's also served his own stated purpose - he's pulled Britain out of Europe, that's what he wanted, he's done. I think pretty much everyone but the extremists have now seen him for what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 Just now, OutByEaster? said: I think that embarrassing speech he delivered in Brussels has probably done for him. It might have helped if he hadn't had his Union Jack upside down. He's also served his own stated purpose - he's pulled Britain out of Europe, that's what he wanted, he's done. I think pretty much everyone but the extremists have now seen him for what he is. He did go a little OTT i think, he did stand up for British people I will hand him that but how does he expect us to get a good deal with EU with behavior like that. But surprisingly most people I speak to who voted out liked that farage stuck up for Britain. Wouldn't be surprised if UKIP fold he diverts to conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I met an Italian man yesterday who was actually genuinely offended by Farage's speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 30, 2016 Moderator Share Posted June 30, 2016 He didn't represent me - and that's true for the majority of British people - I don't think the Conservatives would have him, I think they'll use him as patsy for Brexit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 32 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: hmm i actually think the opposite i think he has become more popular recently Me to. Farage will have repatriation in the UKIP manifesto soon. (which would be incredibly poplular) If Corbyn win a new labour leadership contest - UKIP could be become the official opposition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Where are the LibDems in all of this? They should be going tooth and nail to reach a level of popularity in these times, but I haven't heard a peep out of them. They should be squaring themselves up to at least reach the big 2's level of popularity, it certainly wouldn't take much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Where are the LibDems in all of this? They should be going tooth and nail to reach a level of popularity in these times, but I haven't heard a peep out of them. They should be squaring themselves up to at least reach the big 2's level of popularity, it certainly wouldn't take much. They're running on an anti-Brexit platform. Presumably they're trying to formulate exactly what their position is versus how close to power it'll get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I think that embarrassing speech he delivered in Brussels has probably done for him. It might have helped if he hadn't had his Union Jack upside down. He's also served his own stated purpose - he's pulled Britain out of Europe, that's what he wanted, he's done. I think pretty much everyone but the extremists have now seen him for what he is. Extremists My Facebook feed kindly spammed me with the news about his speech , on the whole people were lapping it up , felt he socked it to them .. goes without saying none of those commenting were likely to have been remain supporters , but they weren't extremists either He did lack a bit of class , that's a given , he's not as articulate in his insulting as Hannan , but on the whole it will have made him more popular with 52% and more unpopular with 48% , who probably feel their opinion is more valid than the 52% and thus the opinion we should take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 42 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Where are the LibDems in all of this? They should be going tooth and nail to reach a level of popularity in these times, but I haven't heard a peep out of them. They should be squaring themselves up to at least reach the big 2's level of popularity, it certainly wouldn't take much. I dont even know who their leader is, shows how relevant they are nowdays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: I met an Italian man yesterday who was actually genuinely offended by Farage's speech. is that you David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: Where are the LibDems in all of this? They should be going tooth and nail to reach a level of popularity in these times, but I haven't heard a peep out of them. They should be squaring themselves up to at least reach the big 2's level of popularity, it certainly wouldn't take much. They are probably similar in ideology to a lot of the Labour mutineers, perhaps they could join forces to make a new centre-left party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Must admit I always had a soft spot for Clegg. Even though he sold his soul to get into Parliment with Dave, he always seemed like a decent chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: Where are the LibDems in all of this? They should be going tooth and nail to reach a level of popularity in these times, but I haven't heard a peep out of them. They should be squaring themselves up to at least reach the big 2's level of popularity, it certainly wouldn't take much. The LibDems' role is to represent compromise and moderation and this isn't the time. The country is polarised and no party looks safe from alienating one half of the division or the other, by either going for a shit or bust Brexit, or a capitulating fudge. At some point in the future when the other parties have torn themselves apart, they may emerge as what seems like a sensible alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Just now, MakemineVanilla said: The LibDems' role is to represent compromise and moderation and this isn't the time. The country is polarised and no party looks safe from alienating one half of the division or the other, by either going for a shit or bust Brexit, or a capitulating fudge. At some point in the future when the other parties have torn themselves apart, they may emerge as what seems like a sensible alternative. I'd say compromise at this time is exactly what the country wants. Everyone wants the economy to level out, and then everything else is nearly a 50/50 split. If they made the right choices, they'd be "right up there". They do need to address this very well though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: I'd say compromise at this time is exactly what the country wants. Everyone wants the economy to level out, and then everything else is nearly a 50/50 split. If they made the right choices, they'd be "right up there". They do need to address this very well though. But sometimes when two equally matched big guys are about to have a punch up, offering to hold their coats is the safest strategy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, lapal_fan said: Must admit I always had a soft spot for Clegg. Even though he sold his soul to get into Parliment with Dave, he always seemed like a decent chap. I too liked Clegg tbh. I would have more faith in him than Gove, May, or Corbyn Edited June 30, 2016 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I too liked Clegg tbh. I would have more faith in him than Gove, May, or Corbyn Clegg that wanted to have border controls on the M1 (ok he didn't exactly say this , but he did say about implementing regional immigration which in internet terms means he gets ridiculed for life ) He's suddenly become the Reo -Coker of politics , the long he stays on the side lines the more amazing he becomes Gove angered radical left wing teachers and you're letting the Facebook mob rule influence you , watch him on Question time and he is usually well received even by a hand picked impartial BBC audience , he also did a reasonable job in the EU debate in his TV appearance ... there are rumours that he can be a bit of a control freak , but hey , he's hardly going to be criticised by Corbyn in that regard he'd be the best (of a bad bunch if you will ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I also liked Clegg. Still not sure what he could have done different in the face of a majority Tory representation in the coalition. He got an AV referendum out of it. Although it should have been PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Clegg that wanted to have border controls on the M1 (ok he didn't exactly say this , but he did say about implementing regional immigration which in internet terms means he gets ridiculed for life ) He's suddenly become the Reo -Coker of politics , the long he stays on the side lines the more amazing he becomes Gove angered radical left wing teachers and you're letting the Facebook mob rule influence you , watch him on Question time and he is usually well received even by a hand picked impartial BBC audience , he also did a reasonable job in the EU debate in his TV appearance ... there are rumours that he can be a bit of a control freak , but hey , he's hardly going to be criticised by Corbyn in that regard he'd be the best (of a bad bunch if you will ) Not at all Tone, I think he is abit of a weasel. I did see him on QT he did avoid a lot of the questions and gave the politician talk. Also stabbed Boris in the back within 24hrs. Cant trust this cretin mate. Would rather someone like Crabb. Looks young and has a interesting background story isnt a etoniain like the rest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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