blandy Posted December 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, Chindie said: Because it was last time. Last time it was lauded By who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, blandy said: By who? The FBPE crowd, the smug middle class centrist dad crowd, more than a few MPs who have very carefully but clearly stated how proud they were not to put Corbyn in Number 10, the rabid anti-Semitism screamers... There's some crossover of course. And basically every media outlet. They helped to get us this. Now they're in charge. They're very happy. There would be an interesting karmic experiment if the position was to flip and repeat next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: A number of Labour members and alleged supporters at the last election decided a Tory victory was better than a Labour one and acted to achieve this - be that actual party figures actively acting against it or 'just staying home'. I'd suggest that this was actually more likely that Labour Remain voters refusing to to vote for a party seemingly complicit in "getting brexit done" And... Labour Leave voters refusing to vote for a party that was "going to wreck Brexit" Such was the importance of Brexit in the 2019 election AND such was the confusion from the Labour Party over its actual policy on Brexit. Did it affect the overall result? Hard to say but the "stay at home" Labour non-vote occurred in seats where Labour were relatively strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted December 6, 2023 On 05/12/2023 at 09:40, Wainy316 said: I'm of the mind set that those Tory words removed have to be removed and punished under absolutely any circumstances and then worry about the rest later. Me too - but I think it's obvious enough at this point that the Tories have annoyed so much of the country through their three channels of personality, policy and pilfering that they quite clearly aren't going to be getting another term - it's as likely as Luton qualifying for the Champions league. I think we should be starting to worry about the rest now - and the rest is Starmer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: the rest is Starmer. Bloody Gary Lineker and his podcasts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 6 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Me too - but I think it's obvious enough at this point that the Tories have annoyed so much of the country through their three channels of personality, policy and pilfering that they quite clearly aren't going to be getting another term - it's as likely as Luton qualifying for the Champions league. I think we should be starting to worry about the rest now - and the rest is Starmer. Its important tonight, with the news that the immigration bill might possibly be in trouble again, that Starmer does something to attract the Britain First voters, just to stop any sort of right wing coalition of fascists. He probably wouldn’t need to mean what he only appears to promise, just say something that makes fascists think he’s a fascist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2023 A life model decoy went to Scotland. Dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2023 Blinkers on, don't listen they can't hurt you Keir. In fairness going to Scotland the same week you expressed admiration for Thatcher is a foolish move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Nice, busy Westminster day to bury awkward stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2023 A flawed disciplinary system? That should have Starmer's head on a spike. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I noted labours suggested approach to getting long term school absentees back is free school breakfast. While I think making sure every kid is fed is really important, I just don't understand the logic. If parents haven't been sending kids to school, or children have been playing truant for a long time, why will more school change that. Help me understand the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Once again I have to go to previous pages in order to find the Labour thread. What a state. So Starmer is fully on board the Tory train, support what they do at all costs. Including Yemen. At the next election we have a choice between the same people just one daring to be different side is saying they do this shit better. What a shit show our country has to contend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 13 Moderator Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Jareth said: ...Starmer is fully on board the Tory train, support what they do at all costs. Including Yemen. At the next election we have a choice between the same people... Look, they're not "my team", but that's ludicrous. I get the cynicism about politics, but anyone who looks at any kind of detail, cannot remotely think Starmer, or Labour are "on the Tory train". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 hours ago, blandy said: Look, they're not "my team", but that's ludicrous. I get the cynicism about politics, but anyone who looks at any kind of detail, cannot remotely think Starmer, or Labour are "on the Tory train". On the presumption Labour win an election in 2024, what do you think will be the most obvious and clear changes of direction or points of difference between what we have now and what we might have in 2029? I don’t mean less nasty or thieving people in ministerial posts, or tweeking of budgets and borrowing projections, but actual tangible different political direction on something substantial. I’ve sort of lost interest for a while now and just cynically presume there won’t be a change. Nothing beyond management style, deckchair reconfiguration, and then as we approach the 2029 election, some promises around future aspirations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 13 VT Supporter Share Posted January 13 (edited) 29 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: On the presumption Labour win an election in 2024, what do you think will be the most obvious and clear changes of direction or points of difference between what we have now and what we might have in 2029? I don’t mean less nasty or thieving people in ministerial posts, or tweeking of budgets and borrowing projections, but actual tangible different political direction on something substantial. I’ve sort of lost interest for a while now and just cynically presume there won’t be a change. Nothing beyond management style, deckchair reconfiguration, and then as we approach the 2029 election, some promises around future aspirations. I'm hoping I might be able to get a Doctors appointment. Maybe a few less old people thrown on the scrapheap. Work with Europe to evolve a mutually beneficial trading relationship. Develop an actual industrial strategy. Allow land based wind turbines so we can actually benefit from the cheapest form of electricity generation that exists. Stop treating refugees like criminals. Encourage house building. That sounds like a good starter for ten. Edited January 13 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm hoping I might be able to get a Doctors appointment. Maybe a few less old people thrown on the scrapheap. Work with Europe to evolve a mutually beneficial trading relationship. Develop an actual industrial strategy. Allow land based wind turbines so we can actually benefit from the cheapest form of electricity generation that exists. Stop treating refugees like criminals. Encourage house building. That sounds like a good starter for ten. And that’s a fine wish list, but I’d suggest there’s nothing there in those words that your local tory MP wouldn’t happily say on a doorstep. Maybe except the refugees line. That would be a point of difference if that happened. We have a Labour govt in Wales, doctor appointments are a problem. The way they are looking to solve this in West Wales, is GP’s are opting out of the NHS and setting up a private GP practise where you can pay to be seen same day. No reaction from Labour. This is typical of why I’ve lost interest in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jareth said: So Starmer is fully on board the Tory train, support what they do at all costs. Including Yemen. I don't think there has ever been a Prime Minister from any party who would respond to a drone attack on a Navy ship with anything other than retaliation. Particularly as this isn't really a hand-wringing, "faults on both sides" situation (like most of the other thread is). It's an Iranian militia chucking missiles at merchant shipping and hijacking civilian boats. It's pretty sensible to try and do something about it, given three months of asking them nicely to stop hasn't done the trick. Edited January 13 by ml1dch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I don't think there has ever been a Prime Minister from any party who would respond to a drone attack on a Navy ship with anything other than retaliation. Particularly as this isn't really a hand-wringing, "faults on both sides" situation (like most of the other thread is). It's an Iranian militia chucking missiles at merchant shipping and hijacking civilian boats. It's pretty sensible to try and do something about it, given three months of asking them nicely to stop hasn't done the trick. It’s not an attack on us, come to parliament first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 13 Moderator Share Posted January 13 We finally found a strike that Starmer supports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 26 minutes ago, Jareth said: It’s not an attack on us, come to parliament first. It would definitely have been a nice courtesy, but he doesn't legally have to. And given parliament will overwhelmingly back the decision does it matter that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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