meregreen Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Could be smart from Starmer. He might lose a few votes from those still obsessed by Brexit, but polls show that’s a shrinking group. He could however draw votes away from those voting Lib Dem purely to register their support for closer ties to the EU. Think a large group of Brexit voters realise they were sold a fairy tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, meregreen said: Could be smart from Starmer. He might lose a few votes from those still obsessed by Brexit, but polls show that’s a shrinking group. He could however draw votes away from those voting Lib Dem purely to register their support for closer ties to the EU. Think a large group of Brexit voters realise they were sold a fairy tale. At the very least, it shows a bit of confidence in what they want their position to be. It's not long ago that this sort of thing would have resulted in a stuttering, stammering "no, no, we love Brexit and all who sail in her and we didn't mean what we said, honest". Small steps. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) No doubt the s*n and daily mail headlines will be something like "Labour secretly plan to rejoin EU and betray 17M!" Edited September 21, 2023 by villan95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, villan95 said: No doubt the s*n and daily mail headlines will be something like "Labour secretly plan to rejoin EU and betray 17M!" There's a good 4 or 5 million of that 17 million who feel betrayed by the charlatans and grifters that conned them into voting for Brexit so if they do go with that headline they'll be preaching to a much smaller net. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I was expecting this sort of thing to happen, i.e. Starmer says the loud bit quietly - it was almost missed by the media. Personally I'm all for it, will be interesting to see how the Tory attacks go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 He’s actually saying he will stick to EU rules on Health and safety, workers rights, environment etc. Many of which we helped draw up. Labour should flip this on its head and ask if Sunak would abandon those specific rules. I think he’s actually boxing quite clever here. Let’s face it, if the Sun and Heil don’t like it, it’s got to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 hour ago, meregreen said: He’s actually saying he will stick to EU rules on Health and safety, workers rights, environment etc. Many of which we helped draw up. Labour should flip this on its head and ask if Sunak would abandon those specific rules. I think he’s actually boxing quite clever here. Let’s face it, if the Sun and Heil don’t like it, it’s got to be good. As Rachel Reeves pointed out, was anyone in the political commentariat expecting Labour to announce that they were going to weaken environmental protections or workers rights? If not, then what exactly is the news story here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, ml1dch said: As Rachel Reeves pointed out, was anyone in the political commentariat expecting Labour to announce that they were going to weaken environmental protections or workers rights? If not, then what exactly is the news story here? They’re just desperate to resurrect old battles. They’ve nothing new to offer the electorate, and their record in Government is indefensible. Expect more misleading headlines from the Tory Press, it’s pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 22, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2023 22 hours ago, villan95 said: No doubt the s*n and daily mail headlines will be something like "Labour secretly plan to rejoin EU and betray 17M!" Just been and got a hair cut. The Barber had a copy of today's Heil in his shop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2023 Why has Starmer chosen now to make EU closeness comments? I think Mid-Beds By-election might be entering his thinking. Not the only reason because it’s also the LibDem conference this week which will also be front of his thinking too. Poll from 6 days ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I'd love to have a five minute conversation with any of the 1% of people who are voting to try and keep out the Reform UK candidate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I'd love to have a five minute conversation with any of the 1% of people who are voting to try and keep out the Reform UK candidate. 2% are not voting for their first choice in order to block another candidate but they aren’t sure who 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 hours ago, bickster said: Why has Starmer chosen now to make EU closeness comments? Another reason(s) could be the fairly widespread frustration that "they have no policies" or "they're not much different from the Tories". A second reason might be because the next election, though it's likely to be in 12 months (I reckon), could be as early as next May, which is not that far away and Labour will need to have voters minds understanding what the direction of their offer is, for at least 6 or 7 months to kind of allow it to sink in. The last one is that Labour's conference is not far off, and a bit of groundwork needs to have been laid, so that more detail can be added. Like with this Yurp thing - we get the right wing tabloid froth now (and the other media outlets discussing it now, too. So when the detail is added, the majority of coverage isn't "Labour's going to get closer to Yurp", but about "how" they're going to do that specifically - so people go, "Oh, OK, that seems fine" rather than "they say they will, but not how..." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Does anyone know anything about Sarah Edwards? She’s the Labour candidate for Tamworth in the upcoming MP election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Genie said: Does anyone know anything about Sarah Edwards? She’s the Labour candidate for Tamworth in the upcoming MP election. Arty unionista from Brum who picked a dreadful name for a design studio and does a lot of work for charideeee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Guess that now they've lost the crucial Loach endorsement, that's the 2024 election gone for Labour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 27, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Guess that now they've lost the crucial Loach endorsement, that's the 2024 election gone for Labour. Is he still trying to fill his left wing political party bingo card? And does he shout Lenin, Stalin or Trotsky when he completes a line? In his time he’s been in the WRP, the SWP, Labour, TUSC, Respect, started a fund to found a new left wing party presumably because he’d left all the others… and he only joined the Labour Party in the first place to criticise the leadership. Like anyone cares what Ken Loach thinks about Labour, he only really cared about Labour when Corbyn was leader which given he’s been active in politics since the early 60s isn’t exactly a long time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2023 YES KIER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 They also confirmed yesterday that whilst opening new oil and gas fields was probably bad, they wouldn’t do anything to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just had this through from our constituency chair... Quote I joined the (sic) Labour Party on 13 September 2015. The reason: after years of doubt, I sensed the party might return to its roots as epitomised by Keir Hardy. I hoped it would challenge the unequal distribution of power and wealth in this country, through socialism, in favour of the labouring classes and the victims of capitalism. Sadly, this opportunity has been snuffed out by a right wing (within the party as well as outside) determined to curry favour with and within the establishment. Democracy has been, and continues to be, stifled under the iron boot of the leader, who, let us remember, ‘won’ his knighthood for services to the legal and security apparatus of this state. Current party policies are not progressive or redistributive. A few years ago many would have been denounced by soft Tories had they been proposed by the Conservatives. I don’t want to be a Red Tory with these policies: Anti-union Anti-protest Anti-strike Anti-refugee Anti-wealth tax Anti-green (indifferent to the real and present climate emergency) Transphobic Imperialist Pro-war Pro-Apartheid Pro-privatisation in the NHS Pro-economy (that is ‘economy of the rich’ not the bottom 50%) Pro-austerity (the poor pay for tax breaks for the rich) The gains of post war Labour (70 years ago) have been smashed by decades of Tory pillage and wholesale ransacking of the state for the benefit of global and crony capitalism. The British people are paying a heavy price for this ruptured economy with erosion of pay and conditions and the destruction of public services including health, social care and a welfare net for the weak and the old. The Labour Party seems uninterested in these causes, preferring to scapegoat and blame. Locally within the constituency, the only possible purpose putting up a candidate at the next general election would serve is to de-risk the ejection of David Johnston, our craven Conservative MP. Our body politic is toxic and the Labour Party is indistinguishable from it. I will continue to support progressive causes – outside the Labour Party from which I resign. Louis Hall Chair, Wantage CLP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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