The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Problem here is where is money coming from? There has to be tax rises somewhere

Oh here we go again...

The Government prints the money, there isn't actually a finite amount

Government money is not like running a business or a household budget no matter what Tory MPs and the media say to make you believe it is

We currently have a Government from the oh so fiscally responsible Tory Party who appear to be spunking money up a wall

People always see figures in statements like "Invest £30bn to support the creation of 400k new jobs in the industries of the future—including electric cars" as a one off cost, payable in one year, it isn't

There most certainly do not have to be tax rises

 

 

[Demitri_C]

Just now, bickster said:

Oh here we go again...

The Government prints the money, there isn't actually a finite amount

Government money is not like running a business or a household budget no matter what Tory MPs and the media say to make you believe it is

We currently have a Government from the oh so fiscally responsible Tory Party who appear to be spunking money up a wall

People always see figures in statements like "Invest £30bn to support the creation of 400k new jobs in the industries of the future—including electric cars" as a one off cost, payable in one year, it isn't

There most certainly do not have to be tax rises

 

 

I agree with that but we know there will be tax rises somewhere 

This is what governments do unfortunately 

[Davkaus]

Infrastructure investments can pay for themselves in the long run.

Strangely how quickly the magic money tree sprung into existence when there was justification to shovel its leaves into the pockets of tory donors. Almost like the decade of austerity was an ideological sacking of the state rather than something we needed to endure.

[markavfc40]

13 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Problem here is where is money coming from? There has to be tax rises somewhere

Give the Tory money tree a shake but instead of using billions of pounds to give to friends/family/donors of Tories we'll use it to actually do some good and help the masses. 

If after shaking the money tree we do find we are still short of a few pennies we can always do what we should have been doing all along and tax those with the deepest pockets more.

[Davkaus]

1 minute ago, markavfc40 said:

Give the Tory money tree a shake but instead of using billions of pounds to give to friends/family/donors of Tories we'll use it to actually do some good and help the masses. 

If after shaking the money tree we do find we are still short of a few pennies we can always do what we should have been doing all along and tax those with the deepest pockets more.

For how long have you hated the jews?

[Chindie]

1 hour ago, Davkaus said:

For how long have you hated the jews?

Problems lead to spending.

Spending leads to taxes.

Taxes lead to an inherent hated of Jewish people that can only be solved by voting Tory forever and ever.

[hippo]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Problem here is where is money coming from? There has to be tax rises somewhere

I don't believe there does. Tax rises and tax cuts imo tend to cancel themselves out.

A 1p cut on income tax - but personal tax allowances frozen etc - 

Tax cuts generally lead to poorer public services and health services - who bothers with NHS physio anymore - you pay you're £40 and go private - that ear syringe - sorry we don't do those anymore - go to Specsavers they will do for £60...

Although you are in agony with your hip arthritis - the waiting list is 3 years - sit on a hot water bottle !

[Jareth]

Certainly feels like there's some undermining going on - and to be fair, there are a lot of very talented folks with that particular skill at Labour HQ

Keir Starmer has urged his shadow cabinet to stop briefing the press that he is boring, warning them: “What’s boring is being in opposition.”

Stung by a series of negative stories about his leadership, Starmer angrily urged colleagues at Tuesday’s shadow cabinet meeting to focus on the job in hand, telling them it was “boring” to undermine Labour’s project of getting back into government.

Several of those around the table then echoed their leader’s calls for unity and discretion, in a lengthy exchange described by one shadow frontbencher as “ironically very boring”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/14/stop-calling-me-boring-keir-starmer-tells-shadow-cabinet

 

[Jareth]

Something else to add to the Labour campaign materials

 

[bickster]

16 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Something else to add to the Labour campaign materials

 

erm... have a listen to what Yvette Cooper was saying at pretty much the same time in the commons

 

[ml1dch]

22 minutes ago, bickster said:

erm... have a listen to what Yvette Cooper was saying at pretty much the same time in the commons

 

But that's exactly why Starmer ('s spokesperson) doesn't need to equivocate on the subject.

It's not like the scum aren't going to say he loves illegal's and pedo's (sic) anyway, so he's not really got much to worry about by standing up for something that is right.

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

But that's exactly why Starmer ('s spokesperson) doesn't need to equivocate on the subject.

It's not like the scum aren't going to say he loves illegal's and pedo's (sic) anyway, so he's not really got much to worry about by standing up for something that is right.

You are absolutely correct but is this a Starmer failure or a Spox failure?  I hope its the latter

[blandy]

9 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

But that's exactly why Starmer ('s spokesperson) doesn't need to equivocate on the subject.

It's not like the scum aren't going to say he loves illegal's and pedo's (sic) anyway, so he's not really got much to worry about by standing up for something that is right.

I disagree.

The whole point of the Rwanda thing isn't to send refugees to Rwanda, it's to create a culture war between right wing nobbers, who currently control the Tory party and Bunter in particular and Labour and all the "wokers, libtards and snowflakes". It replaces any actual policy or action in dealing with the situation of the thousands and thousands of people perilously crossing the busiest shipping lane in the world in un-seaworthy dingies having paid people smugglers to get them across. It's a series of divisive signals and dog-whistles, which Labour would do well to ignore

Here's what the actual tories say about it in private and off the record

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As a source close to government thinking put it to me: “They never expected the flight to take off. The point of the exercise was to create dividing lines ahead of the next election, which is going to be fought, in part, on a manifesto pledge to leave the European Court of Human Rights and repeal the Human Rights Act.”...

Johnson now sees a fight with the ECHR as one of the few political battles he has a chance of winning in the near future: many voters want control over Britain’s borders to be exercised by elected politicians in Britain, not by unelected judges in a European court (the UK is a signatory to the ECHR as a member of the Council of Europe; the court is unconnected to the European Union). Johnson welcomes a fight over the issue. His team thinks that those who are alienated by the policy were never going to vote for him anyway, or will eventually do so because they always vote Conservative, as many pro-EU Tories did in 2019 despite Johnson.

No 10 is searching for political ground on which it can win, a week after Johnson only narrowly survived a confidence ballot

Labour not playing Bunter's game might seem superficially lacking in making a moral stand to some, but to me it looks like a smart way to do the dirty business of party politics - don't step on the traps that set off diversionary flares.

[Davkaus]

Plus it gives him more time to swot up on Star Wars

[Jareth]

Removed post due to being drunk and clearly ranting - I rant when sober also. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Jareth

[Jareth]

Labour are so fooked - asked why anyone should support them Thangam Deboaire can only hit that member of the public with management sound bites - it's so so removed from normality. The tories are so utterly shit but what is the alternative? There is not one. 

(left this one up as it's more concise) 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Jareth

[Mister_a]

She's got a point here. Opposition. The clue is the in name

[Jareth]

Thought this was a fresh and interesting idea and I'd personally like to see it embraced by Labour

Mark Drakeford stressed he was not about to tell Keir Starmer how to do his job, and that leading Labour in Wales was very different to heading the party nationally. But even with those caveats, a century of election successes tells its own story.

Speaking during a visit to Westminster to mark 100 years since Labour won the popular vote in Wales in 1922, something it has done at every general election since, Drakeford said the UK party could profitably extend Welsh Labour’s embrace of a sense of local identity.

“Manchester would be the prime example for me there, how well Andy Burnham has managed to capture that identity for Labour,” Drakeford said. “To be Labour, and to live in Manchester are identities that go very closely with one another.

“So maybe the trick is less to try and emphasise that sort of pan-British sense of Labour, and more to emphasise the fact that wherever you live, the Labour party is there for you, on your side, working for you, earning every vote. So it’s Labour works for Manchester, but it’s Labour works for Norwich, and it’s Labour works for Exeter.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/16/labour-should-embrace-local-identities-says-welsh-leader-mark-drakeford

[chrisp65]

 

The fax machine link from London HQ has been playing up a bit lately, and they’ve been all the better for it.

Come over to the dark side Mr Drakeford, we’ve got cool stickers and fun songs.

 

 

[bickster]

2 hours ago, Mister_a said:

She's got a point here. Opposition. The clue is the in name

She hasn't got a point at all because that already happens but opposition motions are non-binding and the government pays them little attention and as a consequence, neither does the media

The opposition often wins its own motions because not many government MPs turn up to vote. Opposition motions are a supreme waste of time, mostly

So thats the first two points

The third is a pithy phrase that actually means nothing in isolation and as for calling out lies, is she deaf and blind? They've literally been doing that since Johnson won the election.

So as much as I like her and applaud all the good she's done, she's wrong