blandy Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The lesson for Starmer is that cosying up the right wing press is a waste of time - they'll still stab him in the back at the first possible opportunity. No, definitely not the lesson I take. The RWP will indeed stab him, but they will do so whether he "cosies up" to them or not. If he only ever talked to Labour supporters, how's he going to persuade people to stop voting Tory and vote Labour instead? Which is what needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, blandy said: No, definitely not the lesson I take. The RWP will indeed stab him, but they will do so whether he "cosies up" to them or not. If he only ever talked to Labour supporters, how's he going to persuade people to stop voting Tory and vote Labour instead? Which is what needs to happen. I used to struggle with this so I see where OBE is coming from. I agree with you though. Starmer doesn't need to get the right wings rags to support him. He needs to communicate via them in the hope he can get some of their readership to stick an x next to a Labour candidate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: He needs to communicate via them in the hope he can get some of their readership to stick an x next to a Labour candidate Yes. There are people who buy papers or look at their internets for the sport or whatever, who don't vote Tory and who don't massively follow bolitics, but will or may read something if he's written it in that paper/website. Particularly if they're feeling unimpressed with e.g. the cost of living, or lying or whatever. I totally get Scott's perspective and the emotion, but ultimately practicality has to play a part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Imagine both resigned and we get an election of rayner vs sunak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Imagine both resigned and we get an election of rayner vs sunak Rayner has said she will resign as well if Starmer does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Imagine both resigned and we get an election of rayner vs sunak And if Johnson goes, so must Sunak. Rumour has it he was actually going to resign when he dot his fine but was persuaded not to Put your money on Nandy vs Truss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, bickster said: And if Johnson goes, so must Sunak. Rumour has it he was actually going to resign when he dot his fine but was persuaded not to Put your money on Nandy vs Truss The moment somebody says Truss I arrive. It’s a sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2022 I'm all for an election between Rayner and Sunak, purely on the hilarity that would ensue every time they are photographed together and he's two foot shorter than her. She'd look like she was taking him for his first day at posh school. 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark Albrighton said: Rayner has said she will resign as well if Starmer does. Oh really didnt know that. They must be confident or been told behind scenes that they wont be charged 1 hour ago, bickster said: And if Johnson goes, so must Sunak. Rumour has it he was actually going to resign when he dot his fine but was persuaded not to Put your money on Nandy vs Truss Ergh that would even worse..how depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Ergh that would even worse..how depressing I quite like Nandy right now, she's grown on me a lot since the last leadership election 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, bickster said: I quite like Nandy right now, she's grown on me a lot since the last leadership election Her HoC response to Gove’s levelling up announcement was a bit of an eye opener for me. Admittedly he had provided some great material for her to work with, with all that Jericho stuff he included. But I thought it was a side to her I hadn’t seen before, a bit more ruthless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: But I thought it was a side to her I hadn’t seen before, a bit more ruthless. It was the first time she'd pointed it in that direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 News at ten (bbc) tonight seemed to be suggesting that Starmer has royally effed up here. I’d presumed that Chris Mason taking over from LK () might mean a more balanced view but it appears not. I’m too naïve, aren’t I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I read something like this on twitter yesterday (can't find the tweet now): "If you believe that Starmer resigning as a result of this is going to cause Johnson to follow suit, then I have a bridge to Ireland to sell to you." That pretty much sums up my opinion on all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: I read something like this on twitter yesterday (can't find the tweet now): "If you believe that Starmer resigning as a result of this is going to cause Johnson to follow suit, then I have a bridge to Ireland to sell to you." That pretty much sums up my opinion on all this. Right now, Johnson resigning isn't in the interest of the parties that want the Tories out. Everyone wanting him to resign and him not doing so is what is in their interest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 I dont understand why labour want him to resign he is single handingly winning labour the next election. They should resist the calls for him to quit and let him stay until next election. As im sure there will be more scandals involving him next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Demitri_C said: I dont understand why labour want him to resign he is single handingly winning labour the next election. They should resist the calls for him to quit and let him stay until next election. As im sure there will be more scandals involving him next election. They don’t want him to resign. They fully expect him to get away with not breaking the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, choffer said: They don’t want him to resign. They fully expect him to get away with not breaking the law. He's talking about the other guy. Edited May 10, 2022 by ml1dch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, choffer said: They don’t want him to resign. They fully expect him to get away with not breaking the law. Yeah sorry i was referring to bozo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yeah sorry i was referring to bozo My mistake - Sorry Dem. I fully agree with you. I was pleased with the local election results as it wasn't so catastrophically bad that the knives would have been out for Johnson. The longer he's in power the less tenable they become. Much as it pains me to have him still in charge, the longer the better really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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