The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[Chindie]

It's quite funny watching a particular section of the commentariat clutching their pearls over the Starmer story that simply refused to accept the media was a partisan tiger when smearing the guy they hated.

[markavfc40]

Apparently it is being reported in The Times that Starmer is going to announce that if he is fined for breaking covid lockdown rules that he'll resign. 

[blandy]

4 hours ago, Chindie said:

It's quite funny watching a particular section of the commentariat .... that simply refused to accept the media was a partisan tiger.

I'm amazed at anyone, from any part of the spectrum, who " refuses to accept" the newspapers are partisan.

There are valid criticisms made of leaders and politicians, invalid/unfounded criticisms and ones that are (as yet) unproven.

I mean in recent(ish) times we've had slagging of Milliband for eating a bit funny, like and for his father being a communist or Britain hater or whatever it was - essentially a massive pile of nonsense.

Then Corbyn got slated for things that were untrue or stupid - like the wreath laying non-story at the Cenotaph, and other stuff where there are range of things with which to beat him - some partially valid, some wholly valid.

And now Starmer's getting it. If he broke the rules, then he has to do what he's called on Johnson to do. What Cummins should have done and what various more honourable people like Scinetists etc had to do.

I really don't think there's anyone who doesn't believe the papers are partisan.

 

[Risso]

Surely if Labour were going to make an issue out of Partygate, which of course they were perfectly right to do, then they should have been really, really careful that everybody on their side was absolutely squeaky clean and whiter than white.

[bickster]

8 minutes ago, Risso said:

Surely if Labour were going to make an issue out of Partygate, which of course they were perfectly right to do, then they should have been really, really careful that everybody on their side was absolutely squeaky clean and whiter than white.

That very statement somehow implies a guilt that is as yet unproven

And I'll wager they absolutely have their fingers crossed that DIanne Abbott broke the rules if they didn't

[Demitri_C]

If keir has broken the rules he should resign just like johnson should and the others that broke the rules.

 

 

[Jareth]

Every Tory politician now desperately trying to find some debts to call in with Durham constabulary - would be quite a result for them if they managed by hook or by crook to get Starmer to fall on his sword while the clearly entirely guilty Johnson gets away with it.  

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Every Tory politician now desperately trying to find some debts to call in with Durham constabulary

They've already player their Joker on that particular police force over the Castle Barnard Eyesight Test

Also absolutely guaranteed that if Starmer resigns, it puts massive pressure on Johnson, Sunak etc to do the same

[Genie]

50 minutes ago, bickster said:

That very statement somehow implies a guilt that is as yet unproven

And I'll wager they absolutely have their fingers crossed that DIanne Abbott broke the rules if they didn't

Even if he is not found guilty he has sailed extremely close to the wind. He should have not been in a position to even be investigated.

If found guilty and fined Johnson still won’t walk. He has too much important work to get on with and lessons have been learned.

[bickster]

4 minutes ago, Genie said:

Even if he is not found guilty he has sailed extremely close to the wind. He should have not been in a position to even be investigated.

If found guilty and fined Johnson still won’t walk. He has too much important work to get on with and lessons have been learned.

That's silly. You've either broken the rules or you haven't,

There's no such thing as being in a position not to be investigated. Someone makes an allegation to the police, it should be investigated regardless of the claims merits, that's what the investigation determines.

[Genie]

6 minutes ago, bickster said:

That's silly. You've either broken the rules or you haven't,

There's no such thing as being in a position not to be investigated. Someone makes an allegation to the police, it should be investigated regardless of the claims merits, that's what the investigation determines.

It’s not as black and white as that.

He did order food and ate it with other people, it’s also reported this group dinner was agenda’d into the day. It’s going to come down to some subjective opinion of how that aligned against the rules.

The whiter than white approach would be for everyone to eat alone, no investigation needed.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Genie

[bickster]

8 minutes ago, Genie said:

He did order food and ate it with other people, it’s also reported this group dinner was agenda’d into the day

There was definitely a time when you were allowed to have working lunches in restaurants etc whether this was then, I can't even begin to remember

But this wasn't in a restaurant, it was in an MPs office during a by-election, so "everyone meet back here for a debrief with food at the end of the day" Seems perfectly within those regs if it was in that period

Also the only people invited were party workers, not an interior designer and a few journalists and the bloke that primps the wifes cat. There's also no hint that ABBA was played

[bickster]

I would imagine it's scenes like the the Germans were trying to avoid in Berlin

[Davkaus]

 

11 minutes ago, bickster said:

 

But this wasn't in a restaurant, it was in an MPs office during a by-election, so "everyone meet back here for a debrief with food at the end of the day" Seems perfectly within those regs if it was in that period

Also the only people invited were party workers, not an interior designer and a few journalists and the bloke that primps the wifes cat. There's also no hint that ABBA was played

Indeed, and if this is the new benchmark for deserving a police investigation, shall we apply the same test to the government

[Guest]

Labour will be held to a higher account than our beloved PM on this.

[Genie]

Quote

What were lockdown rules on 30 April 2021?

England was in the "Step 2" rules, which had been introduced on 12 April.

Gathering indoors with people from outside your household or support bubble was against the law.

There was an exemption for "work purposes", although working from home was recommended in the guidance, but the rules did not mention socialising at work.

The question for police would have been whether Labour officials eating and drinking together would have been "reasonably necessary for work" and whether drinking beer makes a difference to that.

It’s not crystal clear, like a bring your own booze party but we’ll seem. I suspect he won’t be fined.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Genie

[MaVilla]

2 minutes ago, Dodgyknees said:

Labour will be held to a higher account than our beloved PM on this.

Starmer has made a rod for his own back though, by going on and on endlessly about Johnson resigning for doing it.

I think Johnson should have gone, as well as any of the other cronies who did the same, it really boils my blood that they were doing this s*** while normal people couldnt even be with their dying family members due to "the rules".

On the flip side, Starmer should also go, along with anyone else involved if similar is found (if proven), its ironic that Starmer could probably have rode it out easily, if he didnt push it and make a rod for his own back too, i find it doubly amazing that they would have been stupid enough to push that line when they were (allegedly) doing the exact same thing.

tbf tho, i would say im surprised, but im not, 95% of them (politicians) are all at the trough and bent as a 9 bob note, i wouldnt be surprised if nodoby, from any side stepped down over it, such is the cess pit that is parliament.

[MessiWillSignForVilla]

I really hope he doesn't get fined and resigns, just so we don't end up with Streeting as LOTO...

[Guest]

1 minute ago, MaVilla said:

Starmer has made a rod for his own back though, by going on and on endlessly about Johnson resigning for doing it.

I think Johnson should have gone, as well as any of the other cronies who did the same, it really boils my blood that they were doing this s*** while normal people couldnt even be with their dying family members due to "the rules".

On the flip side, Starmer should also go, along with anyone else involved if similar is found (if proven), its ironic that Starmer could probably have rode it out easily, if he didnt push it and make a rod for his own back too, i find it doubly amazing that they would have been stupid enough to push that line when they were (allegedly) doing the exact same thing.

tbf tho, i would say im surprised, but im not, 95% of them (politicians) are all at the trough and bent as a 9 bob note, i wouldnt be surprised if nodoby, from any side stepped down over it, such is the cess pit that is parliament.

He should be doing this. There is no issue with this.

[Rodders]

10 minutes ago, Dodgyknees said:

Labour will be held to a higher account  on every issue ever

fixed tbf.