OutByEaster? Posted March 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2022 There's an article somewhere that's collected him going against every single one of those ten pledges. He's very lucky to have Boris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 13, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 13, 2022 Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 13, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Sigh. Is this the government paying privately owned companies to reduce waiting times where the government is in control of the finances and it's just to bring down the waiting times until the new hospitals required are built and the required increase in staff numbers needed to staff the new facilities are trained and hired? If it's a temporary measure as I describe, what is the issue with that? There is a huge backlog of cases, would you prefer to keep the backlog? Keep people dying needlessly whislt they wait for diagnosis and treatment? I have no idea if it is that as I haven't read the article but due to years of Tory mismanagement and the pandemic something needs to be done to relieve the backlog and get waiting times down, we live in extrordinary times. If this isn't health insurance by stealth (which it doesn't sound like) or a permanent situation that leads to money leaking out of the NHS forever to private companies, then it must have some merit given the current circumstances surely? Or are people supposed to die for political principals? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, bickster said: Are people supposed to die for political principals? Of course not, and luckily Starmer doesn't appear to have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 hours ago, bickster said: I have no idea if it is that as I haven't read the article Well, in the spirit of enquiry I did just read the article and the answer is . . . it doesn't say explicitly, just repeats the formulation 'using private providers to get waiting lists down' or paraphrases thereof. There's no detail about what the plan would actually involve. But given Streeting's politics, and the direction of the party under Starmer, I see no conflict at all between assuming that both interpretations are right, i.e that they will pay private providers for capacity on an ad hoc basis to reduce waiting lists *and* open more and more of th NHS up to the market on a long-term basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2022 You have some very strange bedfellows there Mr Stringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, bickster said: You have some very strange bedfellows there Mr Stringer **** me that reeks of BNP. If I passed that in a shop window I would assume they were BNP. Which they are of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Seat68 said: **** me that reeks of BNP. If I passed that in a shop window I would assume they were BNP. Which they are of course. Well at least one of them might as well be KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I saw a interview with the Labour Transport (I think)spokesman. From the current Labour people, he seems quite normal and knows what he was on about. I was quite impressed. He sounds like a pragmatic politician who does not just exist to poke to opposition. I can't remember his name, bloke with a beard ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted April 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 7, 2022 Oh, ok, that's good to hear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 13/03/2022 at 23:20, bickster said: Is this the government paying privately owned companies to reduce waiting times where the government is in control of the finances and it's just to bring down the waiting times until the new hospitals required are built and the required increase in staff numbers needed to staff the new facilities are trained and hired? If it's a temporary measure as I describe, what is the issue with that? There is a huge backlog of cases, would you prefer to keep the backlog? Keep people dying needlessly whislt they wait for diagnosis and treatment? I have no idea if it is that as I haven't read the article but due to years of Tory mismanagement and the pandemic something needs to be done to relieve the backlog and get waiting times down, we live in extrordinary times. If this isn't health insurance by stealth (which it doesn't sound like) or a permanent situation that leads to money leaking out of the NHS forever to private companies, then it must have some merit given the current circumstances surely? Or are people supposed to die for political principals? It wont be temporary it will slowly become permanent. They already out source a load of services in my trust to the private hospitals. I think this will be a good way to reduce waiting lists but i think it will be permanent Tory labour same shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Tory labour same shit How long have you worked for the NHS, Dem? absolutely blows my mind that someone who works in frontline healthcare can take this "they're all the same" view. Looks like something happened to lower waiting lists in 1997, and start sending them back up in about 2010. No idea what. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: How long have you worked for the NHS, Dem? absolutely blows my mind that someone who works in frontline healthcare can take this "they're all the same" view. Looks like something happened to lower waiting lists in 1997, and start sending them back up in about 2010. No idea what. Yes but come on dav, there has been a pandemic you cant ignore that massive factor Edited April 7, 2022 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, Demitri_C said: Yes but come on dav, there has been a pandemic you cant ignore that massive factor No, you can't. The spike in 2020/2021 was going to happen no matter who was in power (perhaps to varying degrees). Who was in power for the decade before that? Would you say things have got better or worse in your trust over the previous decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, Davkaus said: No, you can't. The spike in 2020/2021 was going to happen no matter who was in power (perhaps to varying degrees). Who was in power for the decade before that? Would you say things have got better or worse in your trust over the previous decade? They are worse you won't hear we saying nhs is better. Its a complete mess. Number of factors other than a absolute shambles of a government to include though dav Expansion of the population, less nhs doctors (alot are going private, some are doing nhs and private) Biggest problem we had when i was booking tcis was capacity. There never was any. So you could have a theatre list of 8 patients but then you might get a clinic cancelled (this happens regularly these days even before covid) so then on top of moving those 8 patients with already low capacity slots you have all the other new referrals coming in where the hell do you put them. Also remember RTT was started in 2012. Im not defending these useless fools in government all im saying is i have little to now faith that laboir can fix it either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted April 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2022 Dropped this in the Labour thread, but it could have gone in any, or a general ballitix thread. It’s been a bit of a surprise to me lately how easy it is to become a councillor for any one of the political parties. There’s a little political story here that there is a Labour local council candidate, in an uncontested seat, that has tweeted about Zelensky being a Nazi. That he wishes Ukraine well, but not their Nazi President. When you look at his twitter profile, he only joined Labour in 2019 and some of the stuff he’s tweeted before that was in support of Syria against the Israeli and US aggressors. He’s only got about 20 tweets on his timeline, it took me minutes to find that, yet Labour didn’t find it, or didn’t think it a big deal. Similarly, I have a friend that has just become a local council candidate for a party. They clearly aren’t bothered by or didn’t check his twitter feed. He’s not a big fan of tories or some flags, or particularly Glasgow Rangers. Then, to a bit more of a comical degree, the Green Party have been trying to persuade me to stand as a candidate. My entire dealings with them, their knowledge of me, has been filling in one questionnaire, attending one coffee evening, and then a bunch of emails instigated by them. As it happens, I’m a very intelligent and balanced and generally cool guy. But they don’t know that. I could be a dickhead. I think it just shows, that at grass roots level all the parties must have a real lack of half volunteers and workers. I don’t doubt that all parties will have some people that are absolute stalwarts. They’ll have good people running the show quietly without praise for years. But the system will cause them to also need a whole bunch of random also rans that will undo lots of good work as soon as they step out of line. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I could be a dickhead. You're right though, the big parties need thousands and thousands of these people, unless they're smearing excrement over their application form, I doubt it gets a second look. Edited April 11, 2022 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 11, 2022 55 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: As it happens, I’m a very intelligent and balanced and generally cool guy. But they don’t know that. I could be a dickhead. Um, I don’t know how to tell you this, but….maybe, um, you haven’t got the same perspective on things as, er, y’know, other folks… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted April 12, 2022 20 hours ago, chrisp65 said: When you look at his twitter profile, he only joined Labour in 2019 and some of the stuff he’s tweeted before that was in support of Syria against the Israeli and US aggressors. He’s only got about 20 tweets on his timeline, it took me minutes to find that, yet Labour didn’t find it, or didn’t think it a big deal. If someone joins any office I work in, everyone in there has gone four years back on their socials looking for gossip by lunchtime on their first day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: If someone joins any office I work in, everyone in there has gone four years back on their socials looking for gossip by lunchtime on their first day. I’ve filled in a form at my office that says I don’t have any social media. I’ve also been asked to follow the office twitter account, but explained I don’t have a twitter. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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