HanoiVillan Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 54 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: hugely disappointing. . .Of all the issues of inequality he could have announced . . . he chooses the one designed to appeal to . . . females. removed some redundant words there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 On 19/07/2016 at 23:44, CarewsEyebrowDesigner said: Smith, like Cameron, is a PR man and I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled off an upset if he finds a way to sell his image. Corbyn starts a long way in front but unless he comes out with some strong policy proposals, that lead will be chipped away at all summer. Corbyns got the cult anti authority following. So he will probably win - I can see him punching the air 'boy did we give those labour moderates a beating'. Unfortunately the less privileged in society will get nothing from this victory. Corbyn will be preaching to his mates whilst the tories make welfare, and NHS cuts. Corbyn and his mates are revoluntaries who want to overthrow the current money dominated system - unfortunately they will never acheive that - but seem to 'get off' on these mini rebellions against authority....a bit sad really So if he wins the election in September - I give it 6 months before there is another internal squabble about some other issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 If Smith wins we will have a welsh windbag leader of Labour dealing with a potential split party and a rebellious left and a Woman Conservative PM. There is nothing new under the sun they say. Either result in the labour leadership election will result in a split party, what is really interesting is what each party will be called. I'm thinking Socialist People's Party and Socialist Democratic Labour Party 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yeah, definitely echoes of Foot/Kinnock/Thatcher. The problem's almost getting worse for Labour - there's I dunno half a million people who really, really, want Corbyn to be leader and do the things he talks about and then there's the rest of the country, just voters in elections who think he's basically clueless. That's bad enough, but then it's made worse by (with a few exceptions), the Labour MPs coming across as sort of plastic, characterless sound-bite generators or squabbling Blair acolytes. And all that while the tories get on with breaking the country, unopposed by anyone but the SNP and a Green. Even the tory opposition to the tory Gov't has mostly shut up for a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 5 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: Corbyn's announcement today was predictable but hugely disappointing. It's sadly ironic that this is the opening line of a post where you go on to complain about the announcement because it concerns 'middle-class females'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2016 2 hours ago, blandy said: The problem's almost getting worse for Labour - there's I dunno half a million people who really, really, want Corbyn to be leader and do the things he talks about and then there's the rest of the country, just voters in elections who think he's basically clueless. I'm not sure that's true. He'd made significant inroads in the polls until around April when the Party turned on him (and Brexit happened) - since then there's been a decline, but Corby's Labour party is still polling at 30% of the voters against 36% for the Conservatives and polls comparing confidence in him against May are neck and neck or with him favoured. It's just not correct to suggest there's a tiny minority of rabid Corbynistas whilst the rest of the country hates him. It's good to see him threaten to show his teeth today and bring up deselection - once he's won the Leadership contest, he'd be well served in getting rid of a dozen or so of his most prominent critics within the party so that he get on with trying to campaign outwards rather than inwards. Yours sincerely, a tiny rabid Corbynista. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I think you are both a little right. I think he is building momentum beyond the crazy lefties. I have talked to several other non Labourities and even non voters who have been switched on by him. However I think while some voters do think he's clueless, the vast majority barely know who he is. And that's the problem whether he can get momentum among the South and swing voters when he is shunning/being shunned by the mainstream media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm not sure that's true. He'd made significant inroads in the polls until around April when the Party turned on him (and Brexit happened) - since then there's been a decline, but Corby's Labour party is still polling at 30% of the voters against 36% for the Conservatives and polls comparing confidence in him against May are neck and neck or with him favoured. It's just not correct to suggest there's a tiny minority of rabid Corbynistas whilst the rest of the country hates him. It's good to see him threaten to show his teeth today and bring up deselection - once he's won the Leadership contest, he'd be well served in getting rid of a dozen or so of his most prominent critics within the party so that he get on with trying to campaign outwards rather than inwards. Yours sincerely, a tiny rabid Corbynista. The tories, despite the doctors strikes, the bedroom tax, universal credit, brexit issues, missing every single financial target they set, despite immigration going up, not down like they said they'd make it..despite, basically being the worst ever government are way ahead in the polls. They should be miles behind at this point I didn't say corbyn is hated, just that he's seen as clueless. Nice like, probably, some good views and ideas, but IMO incompetent as a leader of a party. I want the tories out, they're horrible, nasty, mean spirited robbers. Its not gonna happen with labour at 30% in the polls. Its just about conceivable that the tories will screw up so badly that even an inept labour party could win an election, but to be honest I'm not sure how much more there is left to screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, villaglint said: I think you are both a little right. I think he is building momentum beyond the crazy lefties. I have talked to several other non Labourities and even non voters who have been switched on by him. However I think while some voters do think he's clueless, the vast majority barely know who he is. And that's the problem whether he can get momentum among the South and swing voters when he is shunning/being shunned by the mainstream media. Another leadership election will force him to actually appear on the more mainstream political programming I'm sure, so he will naturally become more visible. As he will win and cement his authority, a leadership election will be the best thing for him, however probably the Tories as well who are pretty desperate to keep him in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 18 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: removed some redundant words there. The penny finally dropped after some guidance from the Guardian. I had assumed it was meant to appeal to the electorate but it is obviously just a move to encourage those who supported Angela Eagle to vote for him in the leadership ballot. Every time I think I'm being cynical I always find I'm not being cynical enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 18 hours ago, blandy said: And all that while the tories get on with breaking the country, unopposed by anyone but the SNP and a Green. Even the tory opposition to the tory Gov't has mostly shut up for a bit. I hold labour equality responsible for that. the clowns cant even put up a good fight as an alternative. You would think the Lib Dems would be putting in a strong case but no-one even knows who their leader is nowdays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I hold labour equality responsible for that. the clowns cant even put up a good fight as an alternative. You would think the Lib Dems would be putting in a strong case but no-one even knows who their leader is nowdays Labour are lost in a labyrinth of intersectionality; finding the chimeric leader who satisfies every competing groupuscule is proving difficult and may be impossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 16 hours ago, blandy said: Its just about conceivable that the tories will screw up so badly that even an inept labour party could win an election, but to be honest I'm not sure how much more there is left to screw up. May could make good on her 'promise' to drop a nuke? That might do it. But then we'd probably not be around to vote afterwards. Bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jon said: May could make good on her 'promise' to drop a nuke? That might do it. But then we'd probably not be around to vote afterwards. Bugger. yeah , cause that's really what she said The PM doesn't actually have authority to push the button anyway , it also requires the approval of the Chief of defence staff ( who admittedly could be a government poodle ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I hold labour equality responsible for that. the clowns cant even put up a good fight as an alternative. You would think the Lib Dems would be putting in a strong case but no-one even knows who their leader is nowdays Re Labour, yeah, that was my point exactly Dem. Re the lib Dems, there's only 8 of them, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Quote Legal action is to commence against Tony Blair after a crowdfunding campaign reached its objective. The Iraq War Families Campaign Group, which represents the families of the 179 servicemen and women killed in the conflict, is to commence legal action against the former Prime Minister after reaching its £50,000 target on Crowd Justice. Led by Roger Bacon and Reg Keys, who sons were killed in the War, the Iraq-War Families Campaign Group (IFCG) has campaigned tirelessly to find answers to what went wrong – both politically and operationally – and who was responsible. The publication on July 6th of the Iraq Inquiry report was a key moment in their search for the truth – as Sir John Chilcot confirmed that there had been catalogue of mistakes and wrongdoing. However, the Inquiry was not a court of law. Justice is still to be done. London Economic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2016 They're going to need more than that. And they won't achieve anything from it. I can only hope the attempt helps settle their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2016 6 hours ago, tonyh29 said: The PM doesn't actually have authority to push the button anyway , it also requires the approval of the Chief of defence staff ( who admittedly could be a government poodle ) And the President. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 On 22/07/2016 at 19:25, OutByEaster? said: And the President. I knew someone was going to post that , didn't have my money on you though from what I've been able to understand the US do the servicing on some of the launch system ( the trigger or something ) of the nukes so if one was sent away for an oil change they could theoretically decide to withdraw the support and leave us a nuke or two down , but the ones under the waves are 100% under U.K control and we don't need permission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: ... but the ones under the waves are 100% under U.K control and we don't need permission Ha ha ha ha ha... Been away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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