chrisp65 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The received wisdom from the media was that Labour should be lead by the most right wing Labour candidate available.At the vote, it turned out the Labour party wanted a left wing candidate.That man, an intellectual, a pacifist and a man seeking compromise and debate was relentlessly attacked by the media and made unelectable in the eyes of your average joe uninterested in anything deeper than the first page of a tabloid for their politics.In that respect, yes, history does appear to be a bit of a loop. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The death of Healey is a strong reminder of where Labour went wrong in the 1970s and 1980s.The rejection of Barbara Castle's 'In Place of Strife' (1969)(a) and the choice of Foot rather than Healey as leader (1980)(b), led to the election of Thatcher(a)and her subsequent eleven years in Number Ten (b). Am I missing something? Thatcher was elected in '79 . . . What I am suggesting is that the rejection of 'In Place of Strife' led to the union disruption of the 1970s and the subsequent backlash (voting in the Tories) and that choosing Foot over the more moderate Healey, ensured that the Tories stayed in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Being able to strut about looking important is what I'm looking for in a politician.We could Opta Stat them, the Peacock Factor - 1 being Gandhi and Michael Foot, 10 Louis XIV and Mussolini.We need more good peacocks in power - Galloway, Farage, I'm looking at you.David Cameron's gait has picked up a wobble since the pig shagging thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Being able to strut about looking important is what I'm looking for in a politician.We could Opta Stat them, the Peacock Factor - 1 being Gandhi and Michael Foot, 10 Louis XIV and Mussolini.We need more good peacocks in power - Galloway, Farage, I'm looking at you.David Cameron's gait has picked up a wobble since the pig shagging thing.It has to be pointed out that to prove he is in tune with his government's austerity measures, Cameron has downgraded his suits from Savile Row's Richard James, which cost £3.5k, to Geoffrey Golding which are only £2k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Another point lost right there. This country is going to the dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Being able to strut about looking important is what I'm looking for in a politician.We could Opta Stat them, the Peacock Factor - 1 being Gandhi and Michael Foot, 10 Louis XIV and Mussolini.We need more good peacocks in power - Galloway, Farage, I'm looking at you.David Cameron's gait has picked up a wobble since the pig shagging thing.I'm probably not reading this correctly but are you saying we need more Galloways and Farages ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Being able to strut about looking important is what I'm looking for in a politician.We could Opta Stat them, the Peacock Factor - 1 being Gandhi and Michael Foot, 10 Louis XIV and Mussolini.We need more good peacocks in power - Galloway, Farage, I'm looking at you.David Cameron's gait has picked up a wobble since the pig shagging thing.I'm probably not reading this correctly but are you saying we need more Galloways and Farages ??correctyou're not reading it the right way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 With the death of Dennis Healey marks the end of the old Labour which stood for Nationalisation and unions. Not sure Healey supported those views but he was there under Harold Wilson. So, the death of a 98 year old chap 'marks the end of old Labour' even if he didn't 'support those views' but he was old enough to be there under Wilson? Is that you, Mr Hanna? just a feeling mate. No need for the sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2015 The death of Healey is a strong reminder of where Labour went wrong in the 1970s and 1980s.The rejection of Barbara Castle's 'In Place of Strife' (1969)(a) and the choice of Foot rather than Healey as leader (1980)(b), led to the election of Thatcher(a)and her subsequent eleven years in Number Ten (b). Am I missing something? Thatcher was elected in '79 . . . What I am suggesting is that the rejection of 'In Place of Strife' led to the union disruption of the 1970s and the subsequent backlash (voting in the Tories) and that choosing Foot over the more moderate Healey, ensured that the Tories stayed in power. Nope even Thatcher herself said it was the Falklands that got her re-elected. Until then she had the lowest approval rating of any post war PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 New thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bagsIts the right that whine about green taxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bagsNonsense. It won't affect the poor because they can just use the ones they are dressed in. I fully expect to see a resultant surge in public indecency charges as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bagsnew tax today?been under that capitalist cosh for yearsit works quite well once you get used to it, it's trivial, not sure it's the end of the world and the bringer of muslamic ebola spiders, but I'm sure the Daily Mail AND the Daily Mirror wouldn't be wrong on something so basic, so important, so I've got my fingers crossed you guys pull through this#prayforbags 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 5, 2015 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2015 Anyway the yogurt knitters have been taking their own bags for years now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 You'll catch yourself going through your collection of saved bags, looking for a cool one.No?No, no, no, no, me neither! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 You can't open a cupboard in our house without being attacked by bags for life, but I don't think I've once remembered to take one to the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bagsYou know what they say about words said in jest...Edit: On the use of bags, it's very rare that I don't take a bag for life with me when going shopping and when doing a week/fortnight shop I use the bags for life that are kept in the boot of the car. I really don't think it's a terribly difficult thing for people to get in to the habit of doing. Edited October 5, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bags I've been working on my script for the last few weeks. Trying to get from a long moan about the tyranny of the Green lobby with their made-up facts and selective idiocy, leading to ridiculous regulation which treats a plastic carrier bag from one sort of shop differently to a plastic carrier bag from another, to 'Only 5p to save the planet? Give me ten!'. The good news is that because they are now charging 5p, some shops have improved the quality of the bags. M&S bags are nearly as good as they used to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Surprised the left aren't complaining about this new tax introduced today that unfairly targets the poor ... really need a two tier bag system whereby the rich pay 7p for their plastic bags Its the right that whine about green taxes Ahhhhh but is alive and well it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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