The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[Mantis]

Don't see why the Tories are scaremongering so much if Corbyn doesn't stand a chance in an election anyway... 

And yet if they weren't saying anything the left would simply say the silence is a result of them not having any counter-arguments.

 

I saw something on Twitter recently that summed it up well. The Tories aren't attacking Corbyn because they're scared of him, they're attacking him because they smell blood.

[bickster]

Ah the old Michael Foot gambit, when is the new Falklands War?

[markavfc40]

It's a pity that at the memorial service for the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain in St Pauls Corbyn couldn't be bothered to dress himself properly.

I hate wearing a tie with the top button of my shirt done up too, but for a few hours, simply to show some respect to the event he was attending I don't think it's too much to ask.

Tramp.

it's an upgrade on the Donkey jacket at the cenotaph  of one of his predecessors though so give him some credit

for something like this appearance is everything and I think he just gave his critics a free hit

He won't give a shit what his critics think will he and why should he. He is never going to be anything other than derided by the establishment and be portrayed as either a joke figure or a threat to national security by the right wing media in this country. It doesn't matter what he says, regardless of what he is or isn't wearing, it will be reported in a negative way by the vast majority of the media.

Fair play to him though. He appears not to want to change despite his new position and quite frankly why should he.

 

[Awol]

No, I was pointing out that what you wear doesn't really count for very much.

You can be a disrespectful little shit in a £10,000 tailored suit and you can be a good and respectful person wearing jeans.

To judge a man by his clothes is all a little bit silly. Although to be fair, if he'd turned up in a giraffe onesie, I'd probably waiver on that point.

The Michael Foot picture was quite deliberate, that whole thing again of lets make lots of noise and call him a shit and if we keep making lots of noise and calling him a shit then the only possible outcome is that he's a shit.

No doubt we should all watch eagerly to see who gets the biggest and best poppy next?

He could rock up to the Dispatch box in Bermuda shorts for all I care and I'm not even bothered that he refused to sing the national anthem, but when you attend an event to pay your respects to the people who literally saved this nation I don't think "conforming" and showing the event the respect it deserves is a big ask. 

It might not bother his fan boyz on here but I suspect millions of people who see that picture will simply think he's a childish lady part. 

[tonyh29]

No, I was pointing out that what you wear doesn't really count for very much.

You can be a disrespectful little shit in a £10,000 tailored suit and you can be a good and respectful person wearing jeans.

To judge a man by his clothes is all a little bit silly. Although to be fair, if he'd turned up in a giraffe onesie, I'd probably waiver on that point.

The Michael Foot picture was quite deliberate, that whole thing again of lets make lots of noise and call him a shit and if we keep making lots of noise and calling him a shit then the only possible outcome is that he's a shit.

No doubt we should all watch eagerly to see who gets the biggest and best poppy next?

when it comes to paying your respects to those that sacrificed everything whilst representing your party (and country)  I think what you wear counts for a lot tbh

 

true there is no law that says you can't pay your respects in jeans and a jumper , but in that case Corbyn should have worn jeans and a jumper  .. but here (coupled with not singing the national anthem ) Corbyn  was making a political statement that he is not a conformist .. the lefties will lap it up ..normal people will rightly berate him for it  

 

[tonyh29]

Ah the old Michael Foot gambit, when is the new Falklands War?

you mean the donkey jacket shit first raised by that well known tory ChrisP65

[mjmooney]

So you show your respect to the men who died fighting fascism by wearing somebody's idea of the 'right' clothes? By singing some ridiculous song about the royal family? No. You show respect by turning up. Lots of those servicemen were socialists or even communists. They voted in their hundreds of thousands for a Labour government in 1945. Do not conflate respect and conformity.

[tonyh29]

So you show your respect to the men who died fighting fascism by wearing somebody's idea of the 'right' clothes? By singing some ridiculous song about the royal family? No. You show respect by turning up. Lots of those servicemen were socialists or even communists. They voted in their hundreds of thousands for a Labour government in 1945. Do not conflate respect and conformity.

I've already answered that in a post above ..if your view above was correct then why didn't he show up in jeans and a jumper ?

[bickster]

Ah the old Michael Foot gambit, when is the new Falklands War?

you mean the donkey jacket shit first raised by that well known tory ChrisP65 

 

Nope I think you'll find it was AWOL one post before

It's a pity that at the memorial service for the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain in St Pauls Corbyn couldn't be bothered to dress himself properly.

I hate wearing a tie with the top button of my shirt done up too, but for a few hours, simply to show some respect to the event he was attending I don't think it's too much to ask.

Tramp.

 

[tonyh29]

Ah the old Michael Foot gambit, when is the new Falklands War?

you mean the donkey jacket shit first raised by that well known tory ChrisP65 

 

Nope I think you'll find it was AWOL one post before

It's a pity that at the memorial service for the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain in St Pauls Corbyn couldn't be bothered to dress himself properly.

I hate wearing a tie with the top button of my shirt done up too, but for a few hours, simply to show some respect to the event he was attending I don't think it's too much to ask.

Tramp.

 

if you can see the words donkey jacket or any reference to Foot in Awols post then you can have £1,000,000 *  ... I doubt many people even remember Michael Foot's coat until Chris posted it , which prompted me to look up the significance   ... all awol asked for was some respect  , which surprise surprise  has divided VT straight down voting lines  

 

 

* offer expires at 16:30 14th Sept 2105

[Awol]

Ah the old Michael Foot gambit, when is the new Falklands War?

you mean the donkey jacket shit first raised by that well known tory ChrisP65 

 

Nope I think you'll find it was AWOL one post before

It's a pity that at the memorial service for the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain in St Pauls Corbyn couldn't be bothered to dress himself properly.

I hate wearing a tie with the top button of my shirt done up too, but for a few hours, simply to show some respect to the event he was attending I don't think it's too much to ask.

Tramp.

Nope, I called him a tramp but no mention of Michael Foot, Donkey Jackets or the Falklands - although now you mention it Christina plastic face welcomed his election due to his support for sovereignty talks over the Falklands between the UK and Argentina. Sure the Islanders will be over the moon with that.

[chrisp65]

silly season stuff tbh

good grief, he's rightly open to attack on NATO or the EU or nuclear or the economy

going for whether his top button was done up under his tie in church is a bit silly

 

[Awol]

On reflection I'm genuinely amazed that so many posters on here really can't see how small things like this have an effect out of all proportion to their size.

Voters of all persuasions take acts of  remembrance seriously and with good reason. Something that is being dismissed as 'silly' will undoubtedly colour many people's personal views of Corbyn because it's about basic common decency and respect, not politics. Sure, it'll all be put down to "the right wing media" but that really isn't what it's about. It's a basic failure to understand the psychology of the nation.

 Corbyn is going to utterly destroy the Labour Party if they don't get shot of him quickly. Sure as eggs is eggs.

[darrenm]

On reflection I'm genuinely amazed that so many posters on here really can't see how small things like this have an effect out of all proportion to their size.

Voters of all persuasions take acts of  remembrance seriously and with good reason. Something that is being dismissed as 'silly' will undoubtedly colour many people's personal views of Corbyn because it's about basic common decency and respect, not politics. Sure, it'll all be put down to "the right wing media" but that really isn't what it's about. It's a basic failure to understand the psychology of the nation.

 Corbyn is going to utterly destroy the Labour Party if they don't get shot of him quickly. Sure as eggs is eggs.

Or perhaps a better understanding than you? Perhaps the only thing worse than everyone talking about you is no-one talking about you?

[Rodders]

what.

he's shown disrespect by not wearing a tie?

bonkers, utterly bonkers codswallop. That is a tunbridge wells level of farcical outrage. No **** notices that irrelevance, and trying to quantify how much "respect" he may give personally based on his attire is just tripe.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Rodders

[villakram]

Character assassination 101

[mjmooney]

On reflection I'm genuinely amazed that so many posters on here really can't see how small things like this have an effect out of all proportion to their size.

Voters of all persuasions take acts of  remembrance seriously and with good reason. Something that is being dismissed as 'silly' will undoubtedly colour many people's personal views of Corbyn because it's about basic common decency and respect, not politics. Sure, it'll all be put down to "the right wing media" but that really isn't what it's about. It's a basic failure to understand the psychology of the nation.

 Corbyn is going to utterly destroy the Labour Party if they don't get shot of him quickly. Sure as eggs is eggs.

"Small things like this have an effect out of all proportion to their size".

Precisely. And why is that, do you think? Couldn't be anything to do with the media could it? People have funny little preferences and prejudices, that's human nature. But an understandable response might be a wry smile and a comment like "Tsk, he's a bit sloppy, you'd think he'd make a bit of effort, eh?" And then dismiss it as not being in any way important.

But when you have a tabloid press that will probably put it on the front page, with a faux-outraged headline with some buzzwords like 'our brave boys', then it's emotional manipulation bordering on the sinister. My sister-in-law and her husband (nice bloke, Villa fan, could even be here on VT - hi Terry!) seem to believe every word they read in The Daily Mail, and I don't doubt they'll be told to be disgusted by this latest piece of non-news.

[villakram]

The current power establishment despises the left.

Please note what just happened in Greece where the ECB/Merkel/etc refused point blank to negotiate with the democratically elected leftist government. Of course, we only found this out after the bail-out was forced through. Protect the status-quo at all costs!

[choffer]

Interesting (depending on your point of view) article on Corbyn. Hope I'll be forgiven for not linking to it as I don't want to drive any traffic to the Daily Mail website (apologies if it's already been posted).

Written by former Labour spin doctor Damian McBride, the article was entitled 'Why Jeremy Corbyn May Be The Best Thing Since Clement Atlee'. Well worth a read: 

"To understand Jeremy Corbyn, you need to understand Holloway, the stretch of the A1 from Highgate to Highbury that he has represented in Parliament for three decades.

Forget the name of his constituency – Islington North – and forget every stereotype about poetry recitals and posh restaurants that you associate with that London borough. Holloway is an entirely different beast. From the massive Andover Estate, described as a ‘dump’ by Ann Widdecombe, to the huge Wetherspoon pub serving pints from 8am, this is not the gentrified Islington made famous by Tony and Cherie Blair.

Corbyn’s is the smallest constituency in Britain, but one of the most densely packed. More than 100,000 people live in an area the size of 1,000 football pitches, the best of which is managed by Arsenal Football Club, the new Labour leader’s most high-profile constituent.

Despite their similar populations, you could fit Corbyn’s Islington North inside David Cameron’s rural Witney seat 100 times over. In Witney, 93 per cent of the population define themselves as White British. In Islington North, fewer than half do. Just one in 250 of David Cameron’s constituents is black; for Corbyn, it is one in seven.

Corbyn was a radical socialist before he set foot in Holloway in his early 20s, but nothing he has seen in his years as its MP has softened his views. When opposing the Iraq War, he only had to look at the impact it was having on levels of alienation and extremism among the 10 per cent of his constituents who follow Islam, many at the notorious Finsbury Park Mosque.

He believes in the redistribution of wealth and increased investment in schools, transport, healthcare and housing because these are the needs he sees every day.

Before the General Election, many of my fellow Holloway residents were scathing about Ed Miliband and fearful of him taking office, but ask them how they would vote, and the answer was unanimous: ‘Labour.’ Why? ‘It’s Jeremy. He’s proper Labour.’ Proper Labour: the party established to represent the workers against the vested interests at the top.

Corbyn’s critics scorn the idea that Labour lost the Election because it was not Left-wing enough. But most ordinary voters had no idea what Miliband stood for. They did not see a socialist firebrand; they saw a chocolate soldier, who prevaricated over everything from his television image to his stance on the deficit.

By contrast, Corbyn’s undoubted appeal comes from the fact that he is principled, honest and authentic: he knows what and who he stands for, and says it loud and proud. When Ed Miliband said after his 2010 election: ‘We can’t be imprisoned by the focus groups – politics has to be about leadership or it’s about nothing’, no one believed he meant it. If Corbyn said the same, you can bet they would.

But he faces a rocky ride. Dozens of MPs are already disgracefully ignoring the democratic process and lining up to destabilise their new leader. The only way Corbyn can succeed is by maintaining his genuine voice and hoping that the majority of British people see the country more like the residents of Holloway than the residents of Witney: a country with deep social and economic problems, and massive challenges for public services, which cannot be fixed by more of the same.

The last Labour leader to represent an inner London seat, indeed the last leader of any major party to do so, was in his 60s by the time he became Prime Minister. He was unfashionable, disdainful of the media and he stood on a platform that promoted peace and investment in public services and housing, even with the country facing massive debts.

Clement Attlee went on to be Labour’s greatest Prime Minister. And while few may believe that Jeremy Corbyn can follow in his footsteps as he slips into the leader’s shoes today, one thing is for sure: He comes from the right place."

[Mantis]

Comparing Corbyn to Attlee? **** hell.