wazzap24 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 They need to take their time and find a way to bring in the other brother, but with a bit less of the new labour baggage. To be honest, I don't think it really matters too much, the Tories will do what they do and in 4 years time it will be like 1997 again. They will win the next one by an absolute landslide and would do even if they kept EM as leader. If that happens I'll eat paddys hat Which bit? Dave Miliband or the landslide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2015 What Mike said, it'll be Mrs Balls. Regardless of politics, they'll come to the conclusion that a women is more electable than any of the men they have.Would the tabloids have wasted an entire front page on her eating a bacon butty? No, it wouldn't have played the same way with the audience. Women are going to garner sympathy from such tabloid nonsense not ridicule. What was the worst they threw at Sturgeon? A picture of the Krankies. They start attacking a woman in the same way they've discredited all the previous Labour leaders, it'll backfire on them. Thats the kind of sexism that still does exist in society, Labour need to exploit that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Dan Jarvis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2015 Dan Jarvis?The Tories are scared of him, sure but he'll need some more time in the front trenches to lose the inexperienced tag I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2015 What Mike said, it'll be Mrs Balls. Regardless of politics, they'll come to the conclusion that a women is more electable than any of the men they have.Would the tabloids have wasted an entire front page on her eating a bacon butty? No, it wouldn't have played the same way with the audience. Women are going to garner sympathy from such tabloid nonsense not ridicule. What was the worst they threw at Sturgeon? A picture of the Krankies. They start attacking a woman in the same way they've discredited all the previous Labour leaders, it'll backfire on them. Thats the kind of sexism that still does exist in society, Labour need to exploit that Whilst to an extent I somewhat agree, the media will gun for and ridicule them increasingly underhandedly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2015 Would the tabloids have wasted an entire front page on her eating a bacon butty? No, it wouldn't have played the same way with the audience...Perhaps. I think that the owners of the Mail, the Express, the Star, the Sun, The Telegraph and the Times will always act in their own interests, and as such those papers editorial line is based on it being inconceivable and utterly unacceptable to them that anyone but the tories should form the government of the UK.So while they might change their line or style of attack depending on who is leader, attack they will, because their owners tell them to.Only if Labour were to move their views on the way the media is owned and regulated and were to "allow" people like Desmond, Murdoch, the Barclays etc to carry on untroubled would they change that approach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Demitri_C Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 What Mike said, it'll be Mrs Balls. Regardless of politics, they'll come to the conclusion that a women is more electable than any of the men they have.Would the tabloids have wasted an entire front page on her eating a bacon butty? No, it wouldn't have played the same way with the audience. Women are going to garner sympathy from such tabloid nonsense not ridicule. What was the worst they threw at Sturgeon? A picture of the Krankies. They start attacking a woman in the same way they've discredited all the previous Labour leaders, it'll backfire on them. Thats the kind of sexism that still does exist in society, Labour need to exploit that Then all the Tories have to do is get Theresa May or another female then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted May 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2015 Dan Jarvis? The Tories are scared of him, sure but he'll need some more time in the front trenches to lose the inexperienced tag I think As a company commander with 3PARA on the Helmand break in tour in 2006 (like Rourkes Drift, but for 6 months and with RPGs not spears) he has considerable experience in the trenches! As I know you meant politically, I recall (but ready to be corrected) that Cameron only had 1 term as an MP behind him when he went for and got the leadership, Jarvis is at the equivalent experience level now. For several reasons this guy is a stand out choice for me; first he is a complete break with the past of New Labour, Blue Labour, Old Labour etc. and therefore completely untainted by everything the Tories and/or press could use to attack him. I just can't see the Torygraph trying to impugn the character of a man like that, they'd be slaughtered by their own readership. Which leads to point two, he is the type of figure that can and probably will appeal to the middle England type voters who have just voted Tory - assuming Labour can rethink their overly left wing agenda and make themselves electable again. Thirdly he is not a career political geek like Miliband and has serious real world experience outside of politics to bring to the job. For the above reasons I fully expect Labour to elect Harridian Harperson or similar, thus letting the Tories have another free run in 2020. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2015 What Mike said, it'll be Mrs Balls. Regardless of politics, they'll come to the conclusion that a women is more electable than any of the men they have.Would the tabloids have wasted an entire front page on her eating a bacon butty? No, it wouldn't have played the same way with the audience. Women are going to garner sympathy from such tabloid nonsense not ridicule. What was the worst they threw at Sturgeon? A picture of the Krankies. They start attacking a woman in the same way they've discredited all the previous Labour leaders, it'll backfire on them. Thats the kind of sexism that still does exist in society, Labour need to exploit that Then all the Tories have to do is get Theresa May or another female then what? Theresa May is blatantly manoeuvring for the job when Cameron goes. She's consciously adopting all Thatcher's mannerisms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 What Mike said, it'll be Mrs Balls. Regardless of politics, they'll come to the conclusion that a women is more electable than any of the men they have.Would the tabloids have wasted an entire front page on her eating a bacon butty? No, it wouldn't have played the same way with the audience. Women are going to garner sympathy from such tabloid nonsense not ridicule. What was the worst they threw at Sturgeon? A picture of the Krankies. They start attacking a woman in the same way they've discredited all the previous Labour leaders, it'll backfire on them. Thats the kind of sexism that still does exist in society, Labour need to exploit that Then all the Tories have to do is get Theresa May or another female then what? Theresa May is blatantly manoeuvring for the job when Cameron goes. She's consciously adopting all Thatcher's mannerisms. I think you have a valid point there. I dont like May she seems like a vile woman and I think would be a terrible leader. I would not vote for her if she ever became leader. Think Osbourne or Johnson will take over next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 10, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2015 I think you have a valid point there. I dont like May she seems like a vile woman and I think would be a terrible leader. I would not vote for her if she ever became leader. Think Osbourne or Johnson will take over nextI agree with you on May, Dem.I understand that Boris J is popular with people, but I can't see a single other tory [edit - I can, there's 3, added below] who also doesn't come across as vile, though. I know I don't like them anyway, but honestly, they don't to me come across well. Which ones do to you?Osbourne - isn't he a bit snide like? - he looks like he's secretly just put a poo in someone else's school bag and is trying not to smirk about what he's done.Gove - "look at me, look at me - I've just done an idea..." "...thought about it? no, why?"IDS - "Try not to actually touch any of the equipment, Ian - do you want to go and play with those rocks over there, in the sandpit - there's some toy soldiers and a digger"And then there's a load that look like they are lizard people inhabiting the decaying corpses of former humans.Oh and David Davies and Ken Clark and Zak Goldsmith who are still humans and whatever their politics actually seem to believe something - they're not too bad.[second edit - as this is the Labour leader thread] - Unfortunately there aren't many Labour ones who come across well, either. Some of them every bit as bad as the tories in relating to people. It's unlikely to be an inspiring choice, but perhaps AWOL's pick might be - I've never heard of him, mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 And then there's a load that look like they are lizard people inhabiting the decaying corpses of former humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I can see why the Tories are wary of Chuka - he's pretty much a Tory. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Think Osbourne or Johnson will take over nextJo Johnson or Rory Stewart, perhaps.As for Labour, probably Mrs Bollocks.Liz Kendall and Chuka getting a few nasty looks and words it seems for their early declarations of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Tristram Hunt? He seems to be the one i'm seeing actively engaging the media in the last few days Edited May 10, 2015 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 10, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2015 Tristram Hunt? He seems to be the one i'm seeing actively engaging the media in the last few daysAnother bad omen for him then. Though I do think a Labour Leader by the name of Tristram would be hilarious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 10, 2015 Moderator Share Posted May 10, 2015 Rachel ReevesJanet Street Porter in a different wig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Hopefully someone equally as incompetent as Ed. Reckon it'll be Umunna though. Edited May 10, 2015 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Dan Jarvis sounds great which is why they will probably go for his brother. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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