TrentVilla Posted October 4, 2015 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2015 It would mean Fox admitting a rather big mistake, I'm not so sure he will be eager to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'm sure he's not eager, but he must be smart enough to know when enough is enough. We are 4 points below 17th place Chelsea!It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 He'll have an even bigger mistake to his name if he keeps Sherwood on board and we get relegated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neil Posted October 4, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2015 but I think it also exposes his biggest weakness - he's incapable of reflection, even less so of recognising his own mistakes or taking ownership of them, and therefore there seems to be very little likelihood that he'll rectify them. There is a point to looking back over the poor start we've had and it's avoiding repeating it through not making the same errors - I am completely unconvinced in his ability to do that.A shame, there's a lot I like about him, his energy, the confidence, the positivity - but he doesn't learn, he can't read a game and he makes every match look like it's his first at the club. This, this and absolutely this.Making mistakes, and getting things wrong is okay because it's a human flaw. However humans generally have the great gift of recognising mistakes and learning from them. So far he's demonstrated that he's one of the unfortunate few not to possess that skill.I actually think that his cockiness and self belief is his undoing. He's just not willing to accept he's making mistakes, the wrong choices. Being blinded by this cockiness is dangerous, and the clearest sign yet that he simply can't improve us...that's my biggest worry.Like you, and many others...I want him to do well and get it right. If we were winning I think he could really use his cockiness to get us a great winning streak. Unfortunately, I just can't see it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 He does seem to be flapping and appears to have lost any playing identity he began with. Yesterday's commentator was more tactically astute and picked out all the dangerous areas for us as we played - something Tim could not see. This is different to Lambert, it's Tim's squad. I hate to say this, but we really must admit that we need to consolidate and go for Big Sam - we are desperate for a steady hand at the wheel - Sam has oodles of experience and we need that until Randy can get us sold and we can look again at something more adventurous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerreznik Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Honestly people still willing to give him a chance and hoping he'll turn things around are deadset living in a dream world. I think the writing was on the wall late last year, as soon as his new manager bounce expired (frankly we'd have improved regardless of who came in as manager) he proved just how out of his depth he was as a manager in this league.I've always said he is almost certainly a great U21 coach, but manager / first team coach, no way.Given the games we have coming up, we could well go into November with 4 or 5 points, frightening.Everything Sherwood has done so far this season proves beyond a shadow of a doubt he is not fit to manage this club and will take us down if not removed in the next week or two. We are getting worse and worse with each game, he refuses to take any ownership whatsoever, tactically he has proven beyond a doubt he is naive at best, absolutely clueless at worst. He seems he has stacked the coaching ranks with mates who are either equally as clueless or simply beholden to him and not able to get their opinions across to him.Time is not going to help him, that much is very very obvious. Things will only get worse as the deeper we get into the mire the more of his depth he becomes, and from recent comments he'll just start blaming players, who will then just stop playing for him altogether. Sadly the promoted teams have started well, Sunderland will make a change soon, I think we'll be down before the club acts. Levy was smart enough to cut him lose at Spurs before he caused any real damage there, I just hope Fox is smart / brave enough to act quickly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It would mean Fox admitting a rather big mistake, I'm not so sure he will be eager to do that. I don't see it as a mistake.He was as good a choice as anyone at the time. A lot of these managers that have been mentioned on this thread are just as big a gamble. I think that with the exception of Allerdyce, there isn't a manager out there that I'd be confident of getting us another 35 points this season. And we all know the price to pay by having him in charge.I am now genuinely worried about this season. Tim has talked about a loosing mentality and being used to loosing in the past-Its just what this side look like. They've picked up from where they left off last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 4, 2015 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'd be surprised if Sam would fancy another club that's up for sale having lost his job twice in those circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Tim labelled last season's squad as losers, but now his new squad is losing too - it is not a gypsy curse on villa park, it is a succession of managers who are either not good enough or lacked experience at this level. Big Sam apparently is in Sunderland's sights, right now he is the one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind and we need his dull brand of football, badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 4, 2015 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2015 It would mean Fox admitting a rather big mistake, I'm not so sure he will be eager to do that.I don't see it as a mistake.He was as good a choice as anyone at the time. A lot of these managers that have been mentioned on this thread are just as big a gamble. I think that with the exception of Allerdyce, there isn't a manager out there that I'd be confident of getting us another 35 points this season. And we all know the price to pay by having him in charge.I am now genuinely worried about this season. Tim has talked about a loosing mentality and being used to loosing in the past-Its just what this side look like. They've picked up from where they left off last season.As a short term pick me up maybe but as the man to rebuild and take us forward on a long fat contract it was a huge mistake in my view. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donniewyer Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 His lineups are what gets my goat. If you're going to go for a def linup then that's fine, if your're going to go for an attacking lineup that's fine too but to set up a midfield to defend while playing 3 forwards is just stupid. Yet again TS done this on Sat. We had no1 to link up the midfield to the forwards. No1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Where is Ulver? His trademark "Has he gone yet" is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well this is a bit embarrassing. I still want to give him until December, but yesterday was shocking. That game was there for the taking, Stoke were really very poor indeed, and we looked clueless, and seemed to be playing 2 right backs in the first half.More concerning for me was the fact that Sherwood hardly moved from his chair and sat there with his hands in his pockets like a grumpy school kid.......I can only imagine he read this thread before the game. Players look to their manager for inspiration, and sitting around doing nothing is simply not good enough ! They and we deserve better.Coming up we have Chelsea (A), Swansea (H), Spurs (A), Man City (H), Everton (A), Watford (H), i'm usually pretty optimistic, but i am looking at those fixtures and wondering where the points will come ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted October 4, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2015 A quote that shows just how naïve and stupid he is..."We are trying to find the right. You can't persevere with a team that hasn't won.You have to keep jigging it around and find the right solution"Taken from th OS.The man is an idiot, that basically says every game you don't win you need to change the formation of line up.Here is an idea Tactics. How about you work out what system or systems you want to use, what formation and pick the players best suited to it. Then you make changes based on fitness and form.Oh and between games you could work on things like oh I don't know maybe attacking set plays, defending set pieces, taking them oh and you know.... defending!It's kind of what managers and thei coaching staff do. It might prove more successful than your managerial top trumps approach where you keep trying a different set up each week hoping you stumble on a win.Complete clown. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well this is a bit embarrassing. I still want to give him until December, but yesterday was shocking. That game was there for the taking, Stoke were really very poor indeed, and we looked clueless, and seemed to be playing 2 right backs in the first half. More concerning for me was the fact that Sherwood hardly moved from his chair and sat there with his hands in his pockets like a grumpy school kid.......I can only imagine he read this thread before the game. Players look to their manager for inspiration, and sitting around doing nothing is simply not good enough ! They and we deserve better. Coming up we have Chelsea (A), Swansea (H), Spurs (A), Man City (H), Everton (A), Watford (H), i'm usually pretty optimistic, but i am looking at those fixtures and wondering where the points will come ! Your post reads like you wanted to start out being positive by giving him until December, yet by the end of it you couldn't find anything positive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 What a difference a few weeks make - from the comments on here and other fan sites, as well as social media, it appears there's been an almighty adverse swing in support for TS.No longer is he the messiah and I can't imagine it will be long until the crowd turns entirely on him along with the dressing room.The problem for TS is, the fans are right - the results and performances are not good enough and his 'mini-mourinho' protestations and glib post match remarks do not inspire sympathy or confidence in his position.He's lost the fanbase, lost the plot and fingers crossed, loses his job (probably the only thing he won't lose this season!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It would mean Fox admitting a rather big mistake, I'm not so sure he will be eager to do that.I agree. Once again those making the choices will allow the club to suffer so they are not shown to be wrong, and it'll be too late by the time he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerreznik Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 A quote that shows just how naïve and stupid he is..."We are trying to find the right. You can't persevere with a team that hasn't won.You have to keep jigging it around and find the right solution"Taken from th OS.The man is an idiot, that basically says every game you don't win you need to change the formation of line up.Here is an idea Tactics. How about you work out what system or systems you want to use, what formation and pick the players best suited to it. Then you make changes based on fitness and form.Oh and between games you could work on things like oh I don't know maybe attacking set plays, defending set pieces, taking them oh and you know.... defending!It's kind of what managers and thei coaching staff do. It might prove more successful than your managerial top trumps approach where you keep trying a different set up each week hoping you stumble on a win.Complete clown. Really kind of sums him up well, clueless and now just desperately throwing darts at a board hoping something works. For me the Leicester game really proved how limited he is as a manager. Started with the right team and tactics, got the upper hand and got infront, then failed to deal with changes from the opposition, worse still he failed to take ownership for the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well...Look at it an other way. Maurinho is in deeper shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well this is a bit embarrassing. I still want to give him until December, but yesterday was shocking. That game was there for the taking, Stoke were really very poor indeed, and we looked clueless, and seemed to be playing 2 right backs in the first half. More concerning for me was the fact that Sherwood hardly moved from his chair and sat there with his hands in his pockets like a grumpy school kid.......I can only imagine he read this thread before the game. Players look to their manager for inspiration, and sitting around doing nothing is simply not good enough ! They and we deserve better. Coming up we have Chelsea (A), Swansea (H), Spurs (A), Man City (H), Everton (A), Watford (H), i'm usually pretty optimistic, but i am looking at those fixtures and wondering where the points will come ! Your post reads like you wanted to start out being positive by giving him until December, yet by the end of it you couldn't find anything positive. In the words of Inspiral Carpets "This is how it feels to be lonely" ! I made a point of trying to be positive the last few weeks, but the dip in our performances since the Leicester game has gotten totally out of hand. Perhaps Sherwood is too emotional to be a manager ? I thought it was good that the manager seemed to be as affected by results as we are, but now i'm thinking he might be a manic depressive and end up found in his car in the woods with shotgun wounds to his head. If this carries on i might join him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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