MikeMcKenna Posted September 20, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2015 It's been 5 consecutive years of utter shit, record breaking lows and struggling to stay in the league. To completely change that in 6 games is probably unfair to ask and expect. This is why there is so little patience. Obviously given Lerners record with managers Sherwood will be given time but for one I am fed up of the "jam tomorrow" promise. Week after Week, Month after Month, Season after Season it is the same shit, leaving VP thinking when is this crap cycle going to end! I think he has brought in some players with potential but I am not confident that as a manager he has much of a clue. It is still too early to talk about relegation but my hopes of 10-12th now look forlorn given our performances so far. 1 point from Sunderland, Leicester and WBA is ****** joke. I think even Lambert would have done better than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/20/real-sociedad-espanyol-la-liga-match-reportMoyes struggling in Spain. I'd take him if he becomes available and Sherwood can't improve. Would absolutely bite your hand off for Moyes right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/20/real-sociedad-espanyol-la-liga-match-reportMoyes struggling in Spain. I'd take him if he becomes available and Sherwood can't improve. All day long. If I were Fox i'd put him on the payroll now get ready for Christmas. Sherwood won't last here, the jobs to difficult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Some very strange decisions yesterday I have to admit. WBA were always going to sit deep, and when we had the ball their back four were almost on their own 18 yard line, So to play Gabby ahead of Gestede was a strange tactical decision. I also felt Gil and Grealish were too far away from eachother, they only crossed paths a handful of times after Sincalir went off and Gil was pushed wider, they were at opposite wings. Didnt make sense as we need on in centre and one out wide so they can interact with each other.I think when we all watch games, no matter how good we are, we all see passes that we would like to play, whether its a cute round the back pass, a chipped ball over the top or a through ball.i think the most damning thing I can say yesterday was watching it, when Gil and Grealish had the ball at their feet, even my brain, with dreams of being the new improved paul scholes, couldnt even see an option other than 5 yards either side. The movement of Gabby and gestede was a disgrace. Gabby just didnt look interested 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/20/real-sociedad-espanyol-la-liga-match-reportMoyes struggling in Spain. I'd take him if he becomes available and Sherwood can't improve. All day long. If I were Fox i'd put him on the payroll now get ready for Christmas. Sherwood won't last here, the jobs to difficult.No to Moyes, he mumbles worse than Paul Lambert.. Murat Yakin is available after leaving Spartak last season and did well with Basel in past. He is 41 and would love to see us go the continental manager route that other teams have done such as West Ham and Southampton.. No more British manager's, let's try something a little bit different if Sherwood walks or is sacked. Edited September 20, 2015 by Villan4Life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gary Thomas Posted September 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) I've seen a team of individuals who lack energy, intent and a wanting to winI just listened to Richard's post match interview. He talked about how "we never really got going" and "we are very disappointed" and how "we're going through a bit of a bad patch". When talking about the future he said, "The lads will keep their heads high", "We won't be too disappointed, we'll look forward", "keep our heads high", "We have got to go into this with all the confidence we can" and "hopefully we can put in a good performance". I am not having a pop at Richards, who I like, but I do think his language reflects the culture at the club at the moment. They should be bloody disappointed and they should not have their heads high – you were dreadful mate! If the culture was right they would feel they have let the club and themselves down instead of just saying 'we won’t let this us affect us too much' - it should affect you, it bloody affects us! I want more steely determination to put this bloody right - what does, “go into this with all the confidence we can” mean? We don’t need to pretend we are confident when we have nothing to be confident about. We need to recognize that we have to fight harder, work harder and do much much better. I don’t want to hear "hopefully we can put in a good performance", I want to hear we will fight and scrap and leave nothing on the pitch every game we play.” Maybe I am reading too much into a few words, but the comment "hope we can put in a good performance" wound me up. Stop bloody hoping and start bloody doing. You are in control of what happens out there, hope has sod all to do with it. Edited September 20, 2015 by Gary Thomas 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 It's been 5 consecutive years of utter shit, record breaking lows and struggling to stay in the league. To completely change that in 6 games is probably unfair to ask and expect. This is why there is so little patience. Obviously given Lerners record with managers Sherwood will be given time but for one I am fed up of the "jam tomorrow" promise. Week after Week, Month after Month, Season after Season it is the same shit, leaving VP thinking when is this crap cycle going to end! I think he has brought in some players with potential but I am not confident that as a manager he has much of a clue. It is still too early to talk about relegation but my hopes of 10-12th now look forlorn given our performances so far. 1 point from Sunderland, Leicester and WBA is ****** joke. I think even Lambert would have done better than that.we'd be in the championship worrying about our future if Lambert was still here. We're still recovering from his 3 year disaster. Sherwood has to do better but the main reason we've got that chance to do better is that he came in and saved us last season. That doesn't give him free reign to get away with being shit, but I feel it does mean he gets chance to see if all the changes he's made in such a short period can grow into finally a positive movement for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_bouma Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 He really needs to stop churning out the "we are a team in transition" excuse. It's bollocks. Watford bought 15 players, Bournemouth aswell and they are doing just fine. its an easy go to excuse when we play shit and he can't hide behind it. He will though coz he's arrogant and will never publicly admit an error. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) He really needs to stop churning out the "we are a team in transition" excuse. It's bollocks. Watford bought 15 players, Bournemouth aswell and they are doing just fine. its an easy go to excuse when we play shit and he can't hide behind it. He will though coz he's arrogant and will never publicly admit an error. i'm sure you can see the difference. Both clubs adding lots of players to squads that have performed well and gained promotion. Look at the players that scored for both clubs yesterday, existing players at the club while its mainly our existing players that are letting us down. We started with 8 existing players yesterday, as the season goes on we will see our starting 11 have more and more Sherwood signings in there. Edited September 20, 2015 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Big Ron used to say don't tell me show me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) It's true that we are in a 'transition', but the way we've been throwing games away has been disgraceful and being in a transition doesn't excuse or even explain results such as Sunderland at home and being 2-0 up away to Leicester and throwing it all away.Poor management has stifled us this season, it's as simple as that. Edited September 20, 2015 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 He really needs to stop churning out the "we are a team in transition" excuse. It's bollocks. Watford bought 15 players, Bournemouth aswell and they are doing just fine. its an easy go to excuse when we play shit and he can't hide behind it. He will though coz he's arrogant and will never publicly admit an error. This is what we need to be asking ourselves. If Watford, Norwich and Bournemouth are doing ok, why with our Premiership experience aren't we. I think yet again like under Lambert it is far to easy to play under Sherwood. I worry a Sherwood bollocking wears off pretty quick, an no one really respects him as they should. As I said we need a experienced manager this team can look up to. I do think its the only place we are still going wrong. I mean McLeish, Lambert, now Sherwood are hardly inspiring managers are they. As much as I didn't rate O'Neil, he certainly knew how to get a average team to graft, an dish out a bollocking when it was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdistheword Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Plot twist... Aston Villa fans actually give their manager more than 5 minutes in the job before calling for him to be sacked... Or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 The last manager had 2.75 seasons, and only got worse throughout his tenure. When it starts going wrong, holding on can be a worse decision than changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdistheword Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 The last manager had 2.75 seasons, and only got worse throughout his tenure. When it starts going wrong, holding on can be a worse decision than changing. He's rebuilt a team and had 7 competitive games with them... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 8 of the 11 starters yesterday pre-dated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/20/real-sociedad-espanyol-la-liga-match-reportMoyes struggling in Spain. I'd take him if he becomes available and Sherwood can't improve. Would absolutely bite your hand off for Moyes right now.Same. Then after after he manages to keep us up, I'm going to want him out the door after 6 games of the next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Most Everton fans seemed to be alright with him for nearly a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 I don't think it was that great an achievement keeping us up last season, the FA cup run papered over his shortcomings for me. If there's no tangible improvement in the next 2 months his position should be questioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 I would not consider myself to be particularly knowledgeable about football, but when I saw the starting line up I said in the match thread that I did not like the idea of those 2 midfielders with three defensively lightweight players behind the striker. It really seemed to me to be a poor choice. To me, we needed 3 midfielders and 2 creators behind the striker.I do support Sherwood and think we have to give him time, but he has cost us the last 2 games, and his public utterances seem to indicate that he does not take any blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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