Awol Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I notice a lot of turks on my social media are like when its france/belgium it gets such the coverage when its happening in turkey its not important and talked about what a load of b0ll0cks Quite possibly because Turkey is busy arresting and locking up anyone who looks like a journalist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Awol said: Quite possibly because Turkey is busy arresting and locking up anyone who looks like a journalist. Yes they're busier actively censoring the systematic rape of 45 children but that's OT. 45 children were raped by Ensar pro gov Foundation members, Turkey's Goverment is trying to cover the news by censorship. Twitter users are taking the social media to spread the message and trying to make all the big news papers being aware of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I notice a lot of turks on my social media are like when its france/belgium it gets such the coverage when its happening in turkey its not important and talked about what a load of b0ll0cks LAD Bible have posted a couple of things today on FB about the attacks and there are so many comments along these lines attracting thousands of likes including the like of "Who cares this happens in Syria every day" etc. As if its so despicable to show some respect or be affected by a tragedy without paying homage to every other one, the insensitive words removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, blandy said: Bet you the left doesn't, Ruge. Some of them might, but like wit the discussion above, you can't/shouldn't take some group (Islamics, Lefties) and tar them all with the same brush because a few do or say a bad thing. Most people, of whatever religions/political outlook/creed will condemn completely the murderous people who did this. condemn yes but there is always a but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: condemn yes but there is always a but. No there isn't. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, Awol said: Quite possibly because Turkey is busy arresting and locking up anyone who looks like a journalist. Yep and lets not forget the constant bombing of the kurds what do they expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 id say this attack was brought forward after the capture of that fugitive last week. probably worried he was going to cooperate and leak the plans of attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yep and lets not forget the constant bombing of the kurds what do they expect? Precisely, there is a civil war / insurgency going on in Turkey it's just not being reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, Awol said: It doesn't help that the Western European policy of multi-culturalism has encouraged people not to integrate into their host countries as well as they might otherwise have done. This potentially increases a sense of otherness for some, and a vulnerability to radicalisation by ideologies rooted in societies they may look to with a heightened nostalgia to situate their own sense of self and place in the world. Clearly I'm talking about a minority of people here or we'd be up to our guts in Bosnia style civil wars all over Europe, but it's worth noting how much this differs from the US experience where people arrive to become Americans, swear allegiance to apple pie and cheer hysterically at terrible sports. Joking aside it works and the evidence proves that. There is no quick fix for European societies but we need to start thinking very quickly about how to do things better, because.... Speaking as a North American, this is probably because white people there can't claim to be natives with a straight face. In a land where everyone is technically an immigrant, it's easier to integrate as you have as much claim of being American or Canadian as anyone else. There's less of the identity crisis a lot of people face in Europe. I kinda feel sorry for European immigrants, they'll never truly belong. And if they choose to align themselves with their ancestral countries instead they are chastised for not integrating, and as you mentioned this can sometimes have a devastating effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I notice a lot of turks on my social media are like when its france/belgium it gets such the coverage when its happening in turkey its not important and talked about what a load of b0ll0cks They're right, though. All that Je Suis Charlie, French flags, etc., but we hear about massacres in the middle east every day, and it's "meh". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) A worrying amount of people conflating refugees/immigration with salafi/jihadi terrorism/extremism. How many of you have written to your MP complaining about the official British government position vis-a-vis patient zero Saudi Wahabia? Do you know about Al-Yamamah? But then again, how can we really deal with the extremist religious positions of these people given the outright nonsense privilege afforded to a fundamentally similar set of religious folk in our own societies? Hard questions need to be asked... but we'll resort to bombing, and more invasion of my life by some more showy nonsense to placate my sense of insecurity or is it yours.... who knows, but someone somewhere is scared! Edited March 22, 2016 by villakram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Regarding the semantics of the word 'swarm', before the refugee crisis I've always come across the word for meaning large groups of people moving in a particular direction e.g. whenever we have a sunny bank holiday and thousands of people are photographed on the beach in a newspaper, they are often said to have swarmed to the beach. Obviously referring or comparing people to rats is horrid, but I don't think saying people are swarming (or flocking) is that unreasonable and shouldn't immediately bring comparisons to insects to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 If you want to combat terroism the a better idea than closing borders would be closing the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I notice a lot of turks on my social media are like when its france/belgium it gets such the coverage when its happening in turkey its not important and talked about what a load of b0ll0cks Onlar deli zaten abi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: If you want to combat terroism the a better idea than closing borders would be closing the Internet. If that's the answer, we've lost the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 If that's the answer, we've lost the war. It's not it would just be more effective than closing borders. Every time there's an attack turns into an immigration debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 1 hour ago, BOF said: Yes they're busier actively censoring the systematic rape of 45 children but that's OT. 45 children were raped by Ensar pro gov Foundation members, Turkey's Goverment is trying to cover the news by censorship. Twitter users are taking the social media to spread the message and trying to make all the big news papers being aware of the situation. Government officials involved in covering up the abuse of children, that would never happen in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 hours ago, blandy said: I liked @LxYoungAVFC long post, because he explained why he posted earlier what he did. And although it's only a relatively small sample, it's the sort of information that is needed to be heard (along with other examples whatever they might illustrate). It also seems credible that people fleeing the horrors of wars are not the only people taking much the same route to Europe. There are signs of demographic imbalance in the make up of the incomers - by that I mean there do seem to be disproportionately high numbers of young unaccompanied men, which seems to indicate that simply fleeing war might not be the sole reason for people coming - that seeking work, or money (if only to send back to their poor families) might also be a motive. The absolutely vast numbers of people turning up does present a problem. The very different nature of religions and cultures will also create problems. I think that wanting to help people who genuinely need help is not incompatible with a desire to keep terrorists, radicals, economic migrants, people smugglers and other criminals away. The demographics are very interesting and we can only guess what the effect will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Paddywhack said: Yeah, newspapers don't really like printing about immigration or terrorism, it's kind of swept under the rug. If all the newspapers were doing this , would it be called "Allied Carpets" ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 29 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: The demographics are very interesting and we can only guess what the effect will be. Some serious fearmongering there. They didn't even bother to dress it up with concerns of terrorism either, it's literally just "there's gonna be a lot of brown people in Germany soon"...narrated by an American dude . Also, notice the sly comparison of the population of "fighting age" migrant men to the numbers of the German military. Just yikes. The comment section of the video is predictably horrifying too, with calls for the gas chamber and another final solution getting dozens of upvotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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