Popular Post markavfc40 Posted February 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Support is a tricky word. I support Aston Villa so I guess Lambert falls within that but, wanting him here at the club is a different matter. I think that is a fair enough stance and most certainly during a game. I have wanted Lambert gone for some time now but that hasn't stopped me supporting and being 100% behind the team at the games and I therefore guess for the 90 minutes Lambert is a part of that team and I am right behind him. That will again be the case on Saturday. I guess even those that say they don't support him would acknowledge that come match day that by supporting the team and wanting those that can influence a game in a positive way for us to do well then they are for those 90 minutes supporting the manager. I have always said that I will always back a player during a game as long as I know he is putting a shift in and doing his best. A lack of ability I can forgive but a lack of effort is inexcusable. I have a similar philosophy with Lambert as I have no doubt he is doing his very best but the sad fact is that his best has been shown to be in no way good enough and at this level he is out of his depth. I don't think there is any ill feeling towards Lambert. I have never seen the vicious and nasty reactions I witnessed under McLeish and Houllier towards him and I genuinely hope it doesn't have to get to that stage and that he is relieved of his duties, walks or a miracle happens and he suddenly develops a bit of tactical nous. I 100% believe he should go but for as long as he remains here I do hope for all our sakes he can turn things around. Edited February 2, 2015 by markavfc40 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Support is a tricky word. I support Aston Villa so I guess Lambert falls within that but, wanting him here at the club is a different matter. I think that is a fair enough stance and most certainly during a game. I have wanted Lambert gone for some time now but that hasn't stopped me supporting and being 100% behind the team at the games and I therefore guess for the 90 minutes Lambert is a part of that team and I am right behind him. That will again be the case on Saturday. I guess even those that say they don't support him would acknowledge that come match day that by supporting the team and wanting those that can influence a game in a positive way for us to do well then they are for those 90 minutes supporting the manager. I have always said that I will always back a player during a game as long as I know he is putting a shift in and doing his best. A lack of ability I can forgive but a lack of effort is inexcusable. I have a similar philosophy with Lambert as I have no doubt he is doing his very best but the sad fact is that his best has been shown to be in no way good enough and at this level he is out of his depth.I don't think there is any ill feeling towards Lambert. I have never seen the vicious and nasty reactions I witnessed under McLeish and Houllier towards him and I genuinely hope it doesn't have to get to that stage and that he is relieved of his duties, walks or a miracle happens and he suddenly develops a bit of tactical nous. I 100% believe he should go but for as long as he remains here I do hope for all our sakes he can turn things around. This will come if he continues here. Was listening to Bosnich on talkshite this morning and even he was saying, he should just admit he has done the best he can and should walk if not sacked. He is now just trying the impossible. I mean can any us fans really see him turning this around now and getting us anywhere near the europa places next season?? Edited February 2, 2015 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 If he can't get the players he's just brought in and might still bring in to help us start scoring and getting good results, he's GOT TO GO. If we have anything less than 4 points after the Stoke game, keeping him on is just a slap in the face to Villa supporters. A new manager coming in at the beginning of March should have enough time to right the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AndyM3000 Posted February 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 I have gone from someone who hadn't missed a single home game in 10 years to someone who couldn't care less anymore. Two years ago I would have been devastated if we got relegated and now I don't think Id care one bit. In fact I actually welcome relegation on the chance that we might move forward more quickly than if we just keep finishing 17th for the next 5+ years. I thought Houllier was bad but could see what he was trying to do, McLeish was awful, but Lambert is on a whole new level. I used to go to games knowing we would get hammered but we at least gave it a go and tried to play football and looked like we might do something. I have never seen a team play/set up as bad as this but this isn't the worst squad we have had IMO. If we got a new manager Id be at the next game but now I can't support this, I can barely watch it and I certainly won't pay for it. How Lambert hasn't been sacked is beyond me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted February 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I have never wanted any Villa manager to fail including the unpopular ones. In my time watching Villa which is too many years to want to admit to....I have seen this scenario before. Signing new players is not going to fix this in my opinion....its more deep rooted than that. Players will always say they are behind the manager its an industry standard to say so, their body language is saying different. I don't believe these players are as bad as what they are displaying....for me this is a Leadership/team spirit/ confidence problem. There are all sorts of opinions that derive from the terraces as to who should play and in what format, some strong opinions, some weak, some well thought through, some whimsical....What we ALL do know is this ain't working. Paul Lambert has taken a counter attacking team that has been hit and miss with results but was able to muster inconsistent results, to a team that masquerades Possession stats built on playing in their own half and bereft of any idea of where to put the ball to create an attack and is as keen to run off the ball as having teeth removed without anaesethetic...This team at present is clumsy, messy in possession, divorced of any idea how to hurt the opposition and are short of a fight in them. For me this team mirror the indecision/demise of the manager. Nearly every player we sign gets worse....and equally that can be said of the manager....he was better than this when he first came. I am really not sure what to think of Paul Lambert one day I could strangle him and the next day i have a certain sadness for him and his loyalty. As much as I love this club i fear it has a sort of poisoned chalice about it....its almost like its living its own lie....there is no honesty about the place. I was always grateful in the early term of Randy's reign especially after the depressing existence ( once thought) under HDE's Tenure.....I now subscribe to the opinion that Randy is now killing the club, even to the point that i think for the future of Aston Villa Paul needs to go....whether its his fault or that we have killed him, I'm not too sure. I am sure though, that in the market we are in right now, new players are not going to save us.....unless of course they have intrinsic character to rise above all this and stamp their authority on the the whole sorry state.....but hey where are we going to find them. Having said all of that.....Anyone who is representing my team will get my support for the duration of the match....In my view that is still and has to be sacrosanct. Edited February 2, 2015 by TRO 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Support is a tricky word. I support Aston Villa so I guess Lambert falls within that but, wanting him here at the club is a different matter. I think that is a fair enough stance and most certainly during a game. I have wanted Lambert gone for some time now but that hasn't stopped me supporting and being 100% behind the team at the games and I therefore guess for the 90 minutes Lambert is a part of that team and I am right behind him. That will again be the case on Saturday. I guess even those that say they don't support him would acknowledge that come match day that by supporting the team and wanting those that can influence a game in a positive way for us to do well then they are for those 90 minutes supporting the manager. I have always said that I will always back a player during a game as long as I know he is putting a shift in and doing his best. A lack of ability I can forgive but a lack of effort is inexcusable. I have a similar philosophy with Lambert as I have no doubt he is doing his very best but the sad fact is that his best has been shown to be in no way good enough and at this level he is out of his depth. I don't think there is any ill feeling towards Lambert. I have never seen the vicious and nasty reactions I witnessed under McLeish and Houllier towards him and I genuinely hope it doesn't have to get to that stage and that he is relieved of his duties, walks or a miracle happens and he suddenly develops a bit of tactical nous. I 100% believe he should go but for as long as he remains here I do hope for all our sakes he can turn things around. I would love to still be in your position but for me things have just gone too far now. Every day he stays as manager is just further nails into the already closed coffin. The erratic way we played yesterday was conclusive proof that no matter what he does it just wont work. We had a decent last week in fairness with the win over Bournemouth and the signing of Gil, Sinclair and Delph signing a new deal- All that means though is we get some money now. But to go from that to what was witnessed yesterday was nothing short of disgraceful for a team in dire need of confidence. Playing Richardson at leftback was one of the most ridiculous decisions I have seen any Villa manager make. It's too much now and if I am totally honest it's starting to become tiresome. On the outside I am passive but on the inside I am fuming at the lack of action to sort the mess out. More players aren't needed, a new manager is. Personally I think if the fans don't rise up soon it will be too late, although part of me feels it is already. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) He will be here until the end of the season, after that who knows what will happen. I am sure Gil and Sinclair would be pretty pissed off if he walked/was sacked right now. Edited February 2, 2015 by LondonLax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 He will be here until the end of the season, after that who knows what will happen. I am sure Gil and Sinclair would be pretty pissed off if he walked/was sacked right now. I'm just as sure that they wouldn't give a shit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Agreed. I doubt playing for paul Lambert was the big pull for them coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Alright Paul, that's our lot for the rest of the season. Please make this work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) He will be here until the end of the season, after that who knows what will happen. I am sure Gil and Sinclair would be pretty pissed off if he walked/was sacked right now. I'm just as sure that they wouldn't give a shit. Who knows maybe they actually want a manager who can set his team up right tactically and get the most of the system he uses Hell they may even score a few goals because of it.... Edited February 2, 2015 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The panic Lambert bid gives me hope he'll be sacked soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I would question Fox on how exactly he intends to increase our turnover when the product on the pitch is so utterly dire.At this point in time we could easily ,very easily go down.How are negotiations going with kit and shirt sponsors Tom ? What I really don't understand is alot of the mess we are in is because Randy trusted MON too much gave him too much control and yet he appears to be doing the same with Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) The sad fact is we are almost certainly stuck with him for the rest of the season. I very much doubt RL has any idea how the fans feel or how bad it really is and if he does he clearly does not care. Amazing for a man who has lost a shed load of money with Villa already and yet is prepared to bet £65m plus with a manager who has comprehensively proved to be not up to the job. Of course we all love and support the club but my patience has pretty much gone. I cannot attend the Chelsea game as I have to go with my son to a Uni Open Day and to be totally honest I feel relieved that I will miss another 90 minutes of inept football and an inevitable pasting. How may other fans feel the same as me? Lots I would guess. We will be relegated and I cannot see us bouncing back any time soon. Very sad but also very true. Edited February 2, 2015 by Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The panic Lambert bid gives me hope he'll be sacked soon. Clutching at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The sad fact is we are almost certainly stuck with him for the rest of the season. I very much doubt RL has any idea how the fans feel or how bad it really is and if he does he clearly does not care. Amazing for a man who has lost a shed load of money with Villa already and yet is prepared to bet £65m plus with a manager who has comprehensively proved to be not up to the job. Of course we all love and support the club but my patience has pretty much gone. I cannot attend the Chelsea game as I have to go with my son to a Uni Open Day and to be totally honest I feel relieved that I will miss another 90 minutes of inept football and an inevitable pasting. How may other fans feel the same as me? Lots I would guess. We will be relegated and I cannot see us bouncing back any time soon. Very sad but also very true. I know how you feel chap. Unfortunately I cannot attend the Chelsea game either as I have to keep an eye on a wall I recently painted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) If we really did bid for Rickie Lambert, then to me, that if anything reiterates Lerner's and Fox's determination that P Lambert isn't going anywhere. Edited February 2, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 If we really did bid for Rickie Lambert, then to me, that if anything reiterates Lerner's and Fox's determination that P Lambert isn't going anywhere. ?????? Wishful thinking from you maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 If we really did bid for Rickie Lambert, then to me, that if anything reiterates Lerner's and Fox's determination that P Lambert isn't going anywhere. ?????? Wishful thinking from you maybe. Why would he be given money to spend if they had any intention of sacking him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) he's not going anywhere, absolutely no danger, reading the reports of yesterdays game theres a bit of criticism as to how poor we are but he's not under pressure from journos i tweeted henry winter about his record, they simply don't care, the likes of collymore and yorke have been moaning but we / they dont get the coverage required for that to gain momentum, sky have a giggle at us every week but they arent putting him under pressure, the protest was a waste of time because it was the wrong game (10k more people there than the game before made it look like nothing happened) and the better fan brigade inside VP means that there still hasnt been a real good pop at him during a game i dont think he's under pressure, lots of vitriol on message boards and social media but nothing during games, he gets away with murder, he timed his fans booing having a negative effect on the team to perfection nursey was spouting today on twitter about how the protest didnt work and the tide hasnt turned and the fans still back him, living in a dream world Edited February 2, 2015 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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