Villarocker Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 My post was addressed to no one in particular but I see its aroused a little bit of passion from some. Probably because it's pathetic to accuse fellow fans of being "sheep" just because they're content with a 0-0 draw against a decent team while our two best strikers are out. Not saying that I agree with the OP but, Newcastle also had their best striker out and we were the home side - without a shot on target. Did they? I'm assuming he means Papiss '10 goals in his last 60 league games' Cisse. Hardly their best striker but that doesn't fit with the narrative that we only kept a clean sheet because of who they were missing. Yes, I meant Cisse. Say what you want about his recent strike rate, he would have still posed more of a threat than Riviere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Cisse is not Newcastle's best striker, and he certainly isn't anywhere near as important to Newcastle as Benteke is to us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 To add to my last post, I was not in any way saying we weren't good defensively. In fact, we were outstanding. I was merely backing up the point of another poster that they were missing their best striker. For the record, I am thrilled with our defensive look. My only concern is our attacking threat. I am sure the stat of having no shots on target in our first home would reinforce that. Cisse is not Newcastle's best striker, and he certainly isn't anywhere near as important to Newcastle as Benteke is to us. I didn't suggest he was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juteface Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I'm happy with a draw and clean sheet. It's the first clean sheet against Newcastle since 2011. I see progress, last year we weren't scoring and we were leaking goals on top of that. Goals should hopefully start coming this season but a more stable defence is key to being comfortable this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted August 23, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 Anyway, moving on from Cisse and back to the topic of the thread which is Lambert…. Personally I'm pleased with his performance over the summer and the opening two games. Yes there still things that need work, nobody would argue otherwise given our lack of creative edge today but in my view big progress has been made. The defence is a world away from what we've seen over the last two seasons and gives us a real chance of picking up points in games even if we are a little blunt up front. Last season we would have lost this game I'm almost certain because we would have slipped up at the back. The defence is miles better our midfield looks better with a solid defence behind it and we still have Cole and Sanchez to add into the mix. Upfront we have an issue it would seem but we do currently have our best two strikers out injured and they will make a big difference when they return next month. If we can beat Hull we will be sitting on 7 points and will have had a great start. As it is, we are on 4 points with two clean sheets and I don't think there are many of us that would have predicted that let alone been unhappy with it. So lots of positives despite there still being some issues. More positives than negatives for me. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 we had to stop leaking goals...we have so far.....so thats good. ....i would call that progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 It's an improvement, just not as much of an improvement as some would've hoped. I'll take 4 points from the first 2 games, we haven't won the first 2 games for 15 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted August 23, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 It's an improvement, just not as much of an improvement as some would've hoped. I'm not sure how people could have realistically hoped for more having spent £7m which is a quarter of what Everton spent on one player this summer. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 That formation was too negative against an average side, at home. I don't fault the players they carried it out well but to me it exposes a manager shell shocked from last season. We will not keep winning away and simply have to be more attacking at home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 It's an improvement, just not as much of an improvement as some would've hoped. I'm not sure how people could have realistically hoped for more having spent £7m which is a quarter of what Everton spent on one player this summer.I agree Trent, that's why I said some rather than I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_bouma Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "We had chances" Mmm no we didn't Paul. Don't treat us like mugs. Well done on the clean sheets but don't swerve the attacking problem with generic bull shit comments like "we were excellent" "we created chances" and "all we needed was a finishing touch". None of those are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "We had chances" Mmm no we didn't Paul. Don't treat us like mugs. Well done on the clean sheets but don't swerve the attacking problem with generic bull shit comments like "we were excellent" "we created chances" and "all we needed was a finishing touch". None of those are true. ...sadly, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Yes I'm not sure that 'the ball was crossed a few times" can constitute a chance, although there was the free kick and a vague header or two. Would prefer him to say "its all about solidity for now' or similar,at least you would know he is seeing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "We had chances" Mmm no we didn't Paul. Don't treat us like mugs. Well done on the clean sheets but don't swerve the attacking problem with generic bull shit comments like "we were excellent" "we created chances" and "all we needed was a finishing touch". None of those are true. Not that I think we were amazing going forward but we did have chances and did create stuff - we just don't have any decent strikers fit at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post djdabush Posted August 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2014 Anyway, moving on from Cisse and back to the topic of the thread which is Lambert…. Personally I'm pleased with his performance over the summer and the opening two games. Yes there still things that need work, nobody would argue otherwise given our lack of creative edge today but in my view big progress has been made. The defence is a world away from what we've seen over the last two seasons and gives us a real chance of picking up points in games even if we are a little blunt up front. Last season we would have lost this game I'm almost certain because we would have slipped up at the back. The defence is miles better our midfield looks better with a solid defence behind it and we still have Cole and Sanchez to add into the mix. Upfront we have an issue it would seem but we do currently have our best two strikers out injured and they will make a big difference when they return next month. If we can beat Hull we will be sitting on 7 points and will have had a great start. As it is, we are on 4 points with two clean sheets and I don't think there are many of us that would have predicted that let alone been unhappy with it. So lots of positives despite there still being some issues. More positives than negatives for me. Another thing to mention is that he's done this without a CEO. Considering he must have had to do a lot of the donkeywork in bringing them in, I personally think he's done an excellent job in his recruitment this summer. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I had a real downer on PL, but his summers work in very difficult circumstances is excellent so far. Perhaps there is a good manager in there after all. If he can crack the possession and creating chances, with Benteke and Kojak back we could be a surprise this season. Noted he said this evening that Vlaar is going nowhere, even running his contract down won't alter that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "We had chances" Mmm no we didn't Paul. Don't treat us like mugs. Well done on the clean sheets but don't swerve the attacking problem with generic bull shit comments like "we were excellent" "we created chances" and "all we needed was a finishing touch". None of those are true. Not that I think we were amazing going forward but we did have chances and did create stuff - we just don't have any decent strikers fit at the moment. We had two fit strikers on the pitch. Neither got in the right position, at the right time, to make the required impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I'm disappointed in lambert today for not setting up differently, we shouldn't be set up the same at home as we are away, away it works (sometimes) but he's not going to win over the fans playing like this at home Maybe once all personnel are fit and available he'll mix it up more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I'm disappointed in lambert today for not setting up differently, we shouldn't be set up the same at home as we are away, away it works (sometimes) but he's not going to win over the fans playing like this at home Maybe once all personnel are fit and available he'll mix it up more He is probably just so scared of losing. I thought the way we set up was ok if we looked for that final ball to full backs more. Hutton and Cissokho were always in acres but the wrong pass kept being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 "We had chances" Mmm no we didn't Paul. Don't treat us like mugs. Well done on the clean sheets but don't swerve the attacking problem with generic bull shit comments like "we were excellent" "we created chances" and "all we needed was a finishing touch". None of those are true. Not that I think we were amazing going forward but we did have chances and did create stuff - we just don't have any decent strikers fit at the moment. We had two fit strikers on the pitch. Neither got in the right position, at the right time, to make the required impact. Exactly . probably why Mantis used the word "decent" . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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