Eames Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 47% loss rate and the worst home form in the 140 year history of the club and its ignorant to want him sacked? Laughable really. Not ignorant no. Short sighted, reactionary, counter productive and unnecesary. Yes. For fans like yourself who have extremely low expectations maybe. Fans like me? Please explain..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 47% loss rate and the worst home form in the 140 year history of the club and its ignorant to want him sacked? Laughable really.Not ignorant no. Short sighted, reactionary, counter productive and unnecesary. Yes. For fans like yourself who have extremely low expectations maybe. Fans like me? Please explain..... Thought I did with the low expectations bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 47% loss rate and the worst home form in the 140 year history of the club and its ignorant to want him sacked? Laughable really. Not ignorant no. Short sighted, reactionary, counter productive and unnecesary. Yes. And do not forget opportunistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Here we go, the 'low expectation' nonsense. Shouting down anyone who disagrees with you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 47% loss rate and the worst home form in the 140 year history of the club and its ignorant to want him sacked? Laughable really. Not ignorant no. Short sighted, reactionary, counter productive and unnecesary. Yes. Short sighted?? Ha! Have you any pride in the club left?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 For fans like yourself who have extremely low expectations maybe. Completely and utterly untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 47% loss rate and the worst home form in the 140 year history of the club and its ignorant to want him sacked? Laughable really. Not ignorant no. Short sighted, reactionary, counter productive and unnecesary. Yes. Short sighted?? Ha! Have you any pride in the club left?? Whats pride got to do with it and how can you tell I don't have any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 8, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. Why? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. How do you know I dont? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. Why? Isn't that blatantly obvious ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. Why? Isn't that blatantly obvious ? No. It isn't. Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. Why? Isn't that blatantly obvious ? No. It isn't. Please explain. If you PAY to go and watch this heap of shit, you are clearly going to suffer more than those that don't. Did that really need pointing out ? If you sit at home and listen to the match on radio/TV you aren't going to feel the full force anguish and shitstorm as you are at the ground obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I've done it myself when I've been at away games that have say cost me £100 all in, to see the players and manager go through the motions with a gutless display , pathetic tactics and substitutions , I've left the ground fuming and with an empty wallet It's far less hurtful when we do that and I've watched on a laptop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Here we go, the 'low expectation' nonsense. Shouting down anyone who disagrees with you. The truly annoying thing about the constant posting of "low expectations" is that there no qualitative element behind it. There's no "I expect to finish <x> so be finishing <y> is just completely unacceptable", it's just a dig for no reason whatsoever. Pathetic posting to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 8, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think it's far easier to defend him if you don't physically attend and sit through the dross dished up each week at VP. Why? Isn't that blatantly obvious ? No. It isn't. Please explain. If you PAY to go and watch this heap of shit, you are clearly going to suffer more than those that don't. Did that really need pointing out ? If you sit at home and listen to the match on radio/TV you aren't going to feel the full force anguish and shitstorm as you are at the ground obviously. I pay, I'm a season ticket holder. I've not seen a shitstorm - there have been a couple of occassions where there's been chanting against the manager, there have been some awful games, some drab rubbish and some entertainment. I watch the away games on TV and don't go, we're much better away than at home. does that mean it's easier to defend the manager if you attend away games? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 we're much better away than at home 17 pts from home fixtures and 17 pts from away fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Maybe you just like punishment ? For some people it's a turn on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I know I will be outnumbered but I actually think he is doing a good job. Only 5 players are good enough for this level. Even if Mourinho was in charge the club would still be in a similar position. I agree. I think the remit he's had to work under is probably the most difficult in the premier league. He's had to rebuild the club from the ground up in a manner that will help us succeed in the long term (i.e. young players) and has been given a pittance to worth with AND has to meet the expectations of the fans (top half finishes at the very least) AND has to get the team playing good football. Trying to accomplish any two of those objectives would be a tough job, three would be a challenge for even the very best managers, but to accomplish all four is practically impossible, and would take a manager of Mourinho or Guardiola's quality to achieve. I would say that more than 5 of our players are good enough for this level. I think we forget how young this team is, they are one of the youngest sides to ever play top flight football in this country. Even the lads that haven't shined so far could potentially go on to be very good players once they've matured, the talent is clearly there for most of them. I also think that a lot of these young players would do fine if they were playing alongside more experienced colleagues, instead of fellow youngsters. I'm not saying Lambert is perfect, FAR from it, and I'm not saying he should be immune from some pretty heavy criticism, but to say he deserves the sack is to ignore the larger issues at the club and to be ignorant to the remit he's been asked to work under, which will NOT change if a new manager comes in. We are all familiar with all these issues that get raised over and over again in this thread. I think it is an extreme exaggeration to say that Lambert had to rebuild the club from ground up" - he had experienced players such as Gabby, Guzan, Albrighton, Delph, Clark, Baker and Herd to draw on. I've got a feeling he does actually see his job as "rebuilding the club" (HairyHands said as much in a post before he bombed himself out of the site) but I think this is a delusion - he won't be around long enough to rebuild anything. I'd rather he concentrated on getting a squad that could just get us more consistent results. It's also OTT to say that he has had a pittance to spend. He's had about £40m, hasn't he? It is his choice to have so many inexperienced players in the squad - he chose to put a number of our experienced players into exile and he spent the money on players without premier league experience. As you say yourself, a lot of these young players would do fine if they were playing alongside more experienced colleagues, instead of fellow youngsters. So don't you think it would have been better to have brought in some more experienced heads from the start, if only on loan (an approach he now finally seems to have grasped)? Nobody's saying Lambert hasn't faced a difficult situation at the club, though not one as extreme as you set out, but the belief that he has handled it as well as might be expected (and, as some say, is the ONLY manager who could do the job) lacks credibility in my view given the poor, inconsistent, up and down results we have had, especially at home - home results should be the absolute bedrock of a club looking to improve and perform more solidly . When you look at what a manager like Tony Pulis has done at Crystal Palace, who had a weak and chaotic squad when he took over, and looked doomed to relegation, you can see that there are other managerial approaches to dealing with the sort of position we are in, that can be more effective because they are more pragmatic and more focused on just getting consistency and a run of results. I doubt whether Pulis talks about a "project" but you wouldn't now want to bet on Palace finishing below us this season Saved me the bother. Brilliant post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 8, 2014 Moderator Share Posted April 8, 2014 Maybe you just like punishment ? For some people it's a turn on. You too I guess as my understanding is that you believe you've paid enough money to have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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