StanBalaban Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 In 2012-13, when United won the title, Fergie started Cleverly in 18 league matches. He would've started all 38 of United's league matches, but he's crap and not good enough. Good enough for whom? A team trying to win the league or a team trying to stay in it? I was being sarcastic. He's obviously good enough for us. In 2012-13, when United won the title, Fergie started Cleverly in 18 league matches. He would've started all 38 of United's league matches, but he's crap and not good enough. Good enough for whom? A team trying to win the league or a team trying to stay in it? I was being sarcastic. He's obviously good enough for us. Sorry mate, did not compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapbranny Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 United are meant to If you take away Milner's last season for us, is there really much of a difference between him and Cleverley.Are you serious. Milner was an absolute engine, complete box to box player with a decent strike as well. That's two more things that Cleverley doesn't possess. Milner's final season he was brilliant when he played centrally and that's what earned him his big money move to Man City but before and after that I think he's been pretty average, a good realiable Premiership player but nothing special. Reminds me a bit of Steve Stone if i'm honest, think he's overrated on here. But at the same time i'd be happy to have him back here in the hope that he'd be played centrally and that he could recapture his form from his last season with us. Wash your mouth out! He wasn't a one season wonder. He only looked average when he was on loan from the barcode splaying on the wing. Though he looked great as soon as we signed him. Anyway my point is, Milners party piece is his ability (heart and fitness) to always be in the game, offensively or defensively. What's cleverleys strength? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm a bit too young to really remember but we're people this underwhelmed when we signed McGrath? Wasn't the internet then or was very early days (as came out around the time we signed McGrath) and no proper message boards like here so hard to judge! I was 9 and was absolutely thrilled to bits that i went and brought ''Shoot'' magazine that had a cover picture of Paul McGrath & Kent Nielsen on People still spoke to each other in the 80's you know ! Oh, i'm sorry... i really didn't know that!! no need to be sarcastic pal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I think he will be effective for us if we use him......intelligently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I think he will be effective for us if we use him......intelligently. This was very clever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division. He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) Was has Lewis Holtby ever done that Cleverley hasn't? Wouldn't see too many moaning if we spent 7/8m on Holtby. Edited August 28, 2014 by StanBalaban 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division. He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov..... So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 In 2012-13, when United won the title, Fergie started Cleverly in 18 league matches. He would've started all 38 of United's league matches, but he's crap and not good enough.I think you'll find that he was injured for a large chunk of those 20 games he missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division.He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov..... So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different.My point was that Petrov did just that and won poty. Would it be so bad if Cleverley was that player? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I think if it's £8m it needs to be a better Cleverley than United have seen for the last couple of seasons, certainly last season, but I also think that's an entirely plausible possibility with time. He needs to rebuild his confidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division.He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov.....So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different.My point was that Petrov did just that and won poty. Would it be so bad if Cleverley was that player? He isn't fit to wear Petrov's shirt. He isn't that player and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I think if it's £8m it needs to be a better Cleverley than United have seen for the last couple of seasons, certainly last season, but I also think that's an entirely plausible possibility with time. He needs to rebuild his confidence. I agree, but if it was a better Cleverley than Utd had seen, then he'd be a lot more than £8m. Don't forget, inflation adjusted, this is no more than we paid for Hadji, Kachloul, Thompson or Steve Stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division.He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov..... So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different. He's not really like Petrov though, as least not for us. In his best position Cleverley is more like Petrov was for Celtic. He is definitely capable of getting forward and scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division. He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances. So did Petrov..... So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different. My point was that Petrov did just that and won poty. Would it be so bad if Cleverley was that player? He isn't fit to wear Petrov's shirt. He isn't that player and never will be. FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division. He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances. So did Petrov..... So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different. My point was that Petrov did just that and won poty. Would it be so bad if Cleverley was that player? He isn't fit to wear Petrov's shirt. He isn't that player and never will be. Don't forget that Petrov was given dog's abuse on here for being 'the crab' in midfield that could only last for 70 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division.He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov.....So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different. He's not really like Petrov though, as least not for us. In his best position Cleverley is more like Petrov was for Celtic. He is definitely capable of getting forward and scoring goals. Shame he hasn't considering the quality around him and the freedom it allows. He has done absolutely nothing to be worth 8m with one year left. FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division.He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov.....So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different.My point was that Petrov did just that and won poty. Would it be so bad if Cleverley was that player? He isn't fit to wear Petrov's shirt. He isn't that player and never will be. FWIW, he had Man United's best pass rate percentage last year, and was ranked 18th overall in the division.He tends to pass sideways, doesn't take chances.So did Petrov.....So we will have two Petrov type players in Westwood and Cleverley? Sounds great. Nothing like adding something different.My point was that Petrov did just that and won poty. Would it be so bad if Cleverley was that player? He isn't fit to wear Petrov's shirt. He isn't that player and never will be. Don't forget that Petrov was given dog's abuse on here for being 'the crab' in midfield that could only last for 70 mins. That is exactly what United fans say about Cleverley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) That is exactly what United fans say about Cleverley. Dk - we're conditioned into thinking that £8m is a lot for an international midfielder in a top 4 side. Edit - top table side after ManUre's last season. Edited August 28, 2014 by StanBalaban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) Ultimately, he's a level of player we need if we intend to not get relegated, and the latest in a series of unexpected transfers and frees. He is not an exciting signing, but given the state we're in, I'm not sure we need an exciting player, just one who can do a job for us. With our two top strikers returning soon, we will have depth in all positions, which is a nice luxury to have. A good mix of youth and experience as well. Roll on, Villa. Edited August 28, 2014 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 For 8 mil we shouldn't struggle to get a Redmond type player, who was local and younger and equally as promising. Trying to sign someone from Norwich won't be easy but I think we could for 8mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 (edited) What role would he play in the team? Is he a creative attacking midfielder that can provide assists? or get in the box and score goals from midfield? Or is he more of a ball winner in midfield? Edited August 28, 2014 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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