The Careers/Jobs thread

[Dr_Pangloss]

My number one problem in a lot of places in this country is that there is a bad culture of holding people back, giving "mates" jobs instead of the best people for the work.

 

The only way I've found to earn more money is by getting sacked (twice) and leaving 2 jobs for more money.  Eventually however, only working at certain places for 1 year to 18 months doesn't look great on your CV and questions are asked in interviews I've had regarding loyalty (one of the jobs I got sacked for after 12 months actually ).

In my opinion loyalty is a bit of mugs game at most companies, I was held back in a position for almost two years, and since hopped a couple of jobs and now earn a bit more than 70% than what I was on a couple of years ago. If I would have stuck around I wouldn't be on anywhere near that salary today.

 

You're right that there comes a point where you can't really hop too often so you have to play it right, but it's a sure fire way to earn more money.  

[Dr_Pangloss]

I have a day off today and have my boss texting me about where we are with some renewals and if I have them all invited. I've explained before I can't invite them as the insurer has requested numerous extra details before putting forward any terms. His text is going on about how crucial it is we get these all renewed to our final numbers - I already know this, but what am I going to do about it? I've requested the details from all the clients, explained the policy ends soon and we need thme to get back to us, get a price and renew, and it's my day off.

 

Increasingly I'm feeling like I don't want to do this shit anymore. It's incredibly stressful for a long part of the year and I'm laughably underpaid, have been given very little instruction as I've been required to pick it up as I go along and spend most of the day treading on eggshells as you worry about anything going wrong. And weird stuff is happening in the wider business.

 

Oh and my colleague who resigned? Her job had to be posted on the company intranet for internal vacancies. I saw the predicted salary and it made me sick. Quite literally more than double my salary. No wonder she was shocked when I suggested where mine was.

Unfortunately you set the precedent by giving him your personal number in the first place and then replying to him about work related texts. You could sit him down and try to set boundaries, it's completely out of order that he contacts you on holidays, it's simply not necessary for most jobs (unless you're in a legit. professional that requires you to be on call - insurance isn't one of those). You could tell him the stress this causes and how this prevents you from getting the necessary time to rest and unwind. 

 

To be honest, I've seen you say that things could be worse out there, but the way you describe things it strikes me that you're in a terrible situation, you're massively underpaid, you're not challenged, you're force to work very long hours and are put under a lot of stress. So what if the people are nice, you're getting mugged off there. You should definitely start interviewing as soon as possible and you need to become more selfish and look after your own interests. You shouldn't worry about letting others down there, you need to take control of what you want, and if that means going off sick to interview, or taking days off to interview, and not replying to 'critical' texts then so be it. 

[Risso]

Just curious. What do people consider a 'bad, 'average' or 'good' salary?

Probably best to split out by age ranges.

Late teen:-

Mid 20s:-

30:-

40:-

50:-

I'd be intrigued to see the spread of responses.

Late teen:- At university

Mid 20s:- 30k

30:- 50k

40:- 75k

50:- 100k

I'm not suggesting this is normal (or is my salary now or aspiration) but based on the cost of living in the UK I reckon this is what you'd need to be comfortable...

Those are Rob's hourly rates by the way!

[NurembergVillan]

Gotta make ends meet...

Edited December 20, 2014 by NurembergVillan

[Xela]

Quality of life is not solely about how much you earn but your lifestyle as well. You can earn £100k per annum but if you have a huge mortgage, flash car on HP, like designer clothes, expensive home furnishings, meals out at michelin starred eatieries etc then you may not have much left at the end of the month. If you live a more simple, less materialistic life then you can live a very good life on £40k-£50k per year and still put some aside for a rainy day(I'm talking outside of London)

Edited December 21, 2014 by Xela

[kidlewis]

I agree with xlea, it's all about disposable income.

After all the bills have gone out and including petrol and day to day shopping, how much do you have left for the following?

Entertainment: xbox, strip clubs, cinema, the villa etc

Eating and drinking out: fast food, nice restaurants and beer etc

Clothing: that nice jacket that's £80 or that Paisley tie which will make you look proper pompon' for £30.

Misc: gambling, money for people's presents era

For me as a family £350 doesn't get you too far each month but enough we can take the kids to the cinema, country park farm or get picnic stuff and take them out somewhere.

I think as a family anything under £250 and you do limit being able to take them places. My trip to villa with the boy cost me near £100 with it all in, so that's nearly half gone in one afternoon.

Aim is to get to a job and outgoings where we have circa £1,200 a month disposable. That said pretty much any increase is going into a deposit fund for a house for the next 7 years....

[El Zen]

Funnily enough quite literally as I posted that one of my colleagues resigned.

It's a long story but basically a combination of things, right now we're on a very quiet period doing files and tidying up after a busy period. It's tedious, barely occupies the mind. In a busy period we're working all hours of the day (8 to 8 not uncommon, day on day) in a very stressful situation. I'm not very well paid (a colleague was shocked when I intimated aroundabout where my salary lay). I'm tired of it. I like the people but the job is shit and the money makes it difficult to put up with.

I have a degree but it's not vocational, I picked it as it opened doors to many fields but in reality it's just a degree.

I was in sort of a similar situation until very recently. I worked for a major international market research company doing difficult but extremely uninspiring work. I didn't get along with my boss at all and she would often make us work evenings, week ends and holidays (for which I received no compensation at all due to some legal loophole in my contract). On several occassions I was criticised for not being available on my work phone or email on e.g. friday evenings.

In the end I stopped caring, avoided responsibility and ultimately fell into stress related depression. My solution? I quit. I didn't belong there. It didn't suit my personality or values to work as much as possible so that fat, old capitalists could make a larger profit. I told the HR manager about the situation and that I had decided I wanted to be a teacher. She was, luckily, very understanding and I was allowed to leave on a week's notice.

I was lucky enough to get a teaching job just a week after leaving my old job. I couldn't be happier and feel I've found what I'm meant to do with my life. I'm even making more money now than I was before.

Now I know it isn't easy to just quit not knowing what to do next. I was lucky it worked out the way it did and also had the financial means to afford a period of unemployment if it came to that. But stress and depression is not a good place to be in. Get out before you end up where I was just a couple of months ago.

[Chindie]

 

I have a day off today and have my boss texting me about where we are with some renewals and if I have them all invited. I've explained before I can't invite them as the insurer has requested numerous extra details before putting forward any terms. His text is going on about how crucial it is we get these all renewed to our final numbers - I already know this, but what am I going to do about it? I've requested the details from all the clients, explained the policy ends soon and we need thme to get back to us, get a price and renew, and it's my day off.

 

Increasingly I'm feeling like I don't want to do this shit anymore. It's incredibly stressful for a long part of the year and I'm laughably underpaid, have been given very little instruction as I've been required to pick it up as I go along and spend most of the day treading on eggshells as you worry about anything going wrong. And weird stuff is happening in the wider business.

 

Oh and my colleague who resigned? Her job had to be posted on the company intranet for internal vacancies. I saw the predicted salary and it made me sick. Quite literally more than double my salary. No wonder she was shocked when I suggested where mine was.

Unfortunately you set the precedent by giving him your personal number in the first place and then replying to him about work related texts. You could sit him down and try to set boundaries, it's completely out of order that he contacts you on holidays, it's simply not necessary for most jobs (unless you're in a legit. professional that requires you to be on call - insurance isn't one of those). You could tell him the stress this causes and how this prevents you from getting the necessary time to rest and unwind. 

 

To be honest, I've seen you say that things could be worse out there, but the way you describe things it strikes me that you're in a terrible situation, you're massively underpaid, you're not challenged, you're force to work very long hours and are put under a lot of stress. So what if the people are nice, you're getting mugged off there. You should definitely start interviewing as soon as possible and you need to become more selfish and look after your own interests. You shouldn't worry about letting others down there, you need to take control of what you want, and if that means going off sick to interview, or taking days off to interview, and not replying to 'critical' texts then so be it.

 

I should probably note that I don't have much choice about providing a personal number. We have a system whereby everyone has to provide personal contact numbers in case of emergency (i.e. the office has burnt down, don't come in till further notice) so I didn't exactly volunteer my number. There have also been times where I've needed to use my own phone for work purposes - stuff like trying to co-ordinate people on client do, or where it has been genuinely important to contact me and I was out of the office for whatever reason. They should have given me a phone really the moment the job became more in depth. My boss texting me when I'm off I'm not happy about but it's not like I'm seething about it, it was just a bit of a straw breaking the camels back moment when I was feeling particularly down about the whole thing.

 

Anyway, as I say apparently I am due a pay rise that was previously agreed when they pushed me on last time round, but I still won't be on a decent salary for the role. My colleague that left whose job was posted online with the massive salary almost certainly wasn't paid that figure (and it was a different role to my own that I would expect to be paid more than I am) but it would not be beyond the realms of doubt that they would have been on double my wage. I mention it more as a flag to how well paid I am - not very.

 

It's not even the stress is that much of an issue - it's not great obviously but it's not like I didn't know what I was signing up for. It comes with the role and I can handle it, even if I don't particularly like it. The thing is, they placed me under more pressure by kicking me on, but haven't particularly followed that up with the pay. I started on a mid teens wage for what was basically an admin role, quickly I ended up doing more than that and learning the ropes of the more advanced positions. They then pushed me to do that the more advanced position, as well as the admin crap, and gave me a small wage increase (still teens). Now they're saying we're not kicking you on any more (because they don't think I can do it. My figures actually show I did pretty **** well this year), but we will expect you to be under even more pressure (higher targets this year and expectation is that means more work for me to do), and we still want you to do the admin crap, and in return we'll give you a smaller wage increase than last year. But on paper you've got a potentially excellent bonus this time next year if everything works out perfectly (which it will not barring divine intervention).

 

As you say though start to combine it all and it doesn't paint a pretty picture. I'm certainly looking around.

 

I was in sort of a similar situation until very recently. I worked for a major international market research company doing difficult but extremely uninspiring work. I didn't get along with my boss at all and she would often make us work evenings, week ends and holidays (for which I received no compensation at all due to some legal loophole in my contract). On several occassions I was criticised for not being available on my work phone or email on e.g. friday evenings.

In the end I stopped caring, avoided responsibility and ultimately fell into stress related depression. My solution? I quit. I didn't belong there. It didn't suit my personality or values to work as much as possible so that fat, old capitalists could make a larger profit. I told the HR manager about the situation and that I had decided I wanted to be a teacher. She was, luckily, very understanding and I was allowed to leave on a week's notice.

I was lucky enough to get a teaching job just a week after leaving my old job. I couldn't be happier and feel I've found what I'm meant to do with my life. I'm even making more money now than I was before.

Now I know it isn't easy to just quit not knowing what to do next. I was lucky it worked out the way it did and also had the financial means to afford a period of unemployment if it came to that. But stress and depression is not a good place to be in. Get out before you end up where I was just a couple of months ago.

That sounds hellish.

 

I'm not really in the position to be able to quit, and in truth I think things would need to be much worse than they are now for me to consider that. At the moment I think I'd position things as me getting a bit of raw or bum deal out of a job I don't particularly enjoy. I wouldn't quit, I'm not at the kind of point where that seems a reasonable thing to do nor, as I say, would I be able justify doing so.

 

Saying that, If I was left in a job related hole that pushed me towards depression, for the sake of my health I would probably do similar in your position. Not teaching though - I'd be an awful teacher!

[AlwaysAVFC]

This thread makes me want a new job more than ever. There's only one thing holding me back, I'm absolutely awful at interviews and have no idea why. I not only don't sell myself I often undersell my ability. I'm sure eventually i'll ace one and the right one, but its frustrating to say the least. Ultimately it must be confidence, which is a weird one as I am confident in my own ability, even if I have to do things that I've never done before. Its just interviews which I struggle at big time which makes it even more frustrating.

[Rodders]

Maybe try agencies in fields you want to work in - get into the environment that way?

 

I hate interviews. this year was the first time I managed to secure a job off the back of an interview and it was a for a part time post for which I'm thoroughly over-qualified / ( agency work  until then )   I just hate bullshit and making claims I can't substantiate. I mean I know they know that we all know a lot of it is just a silly game so it becomes a test of how willing are you to go through this charade. I'm not thick, I just want to get on with a job without any hoo-har. 

 

I'm not really ambitious though and don't need much income to satisfy my outgoings  I reckon c.25k as a salary now which rose with inflation would be enough for life for me. Maybe £30k if I'm ever in a situation where family is a possibility. But not at the risk of a shitty job. For 18 months via agency I was earning about £35k working in a bank and I hated it. Now have two jobs that combined is probably about 12-14k per annum but I enjoy them and generally happier. Will need an upgrade in a year or so's time mind. Being 30+ and on this wage would probably be a bit depressing. 

[smetrov]

This thread makes me want a new job more than ever. There's only one thing holding me back, I'm absolutely awful at interviews and have no idea why. I not only don't sell myself I often undersell my ability. I'm sure eventually i'll ace one and the right one, but its frustrating to say the least. Ultimately it must be confidence, which is a weird one as I am confident in my own ability, even if I have to do things that I've never done before. Its just interviews which I struggle at big time which makes it even more frustrating.

 

Keep doing them - make a note of what you wished you said after you reflect on the interview - put that in your locker for next time.

 

I once had 2 interviews in 1 day - the morning was so - so - but it was fresh in my mind.....(what I wished I said) - afternoon interview went like a dream - I came out knowing I had bagged it (which I had) 

[Tayls]

My goal for 2015 is to get to 30k. I was hoping to be earning the same as my age, I never wanted to go below that, but... I'm 26 now and I'm on 25k. Grrrr. With my current role which I only started last month there is potential to go further, which was what I needed. However, I'm one of those guys that thinks I could only ever earn the really big bucks if I went to Uni. I just don't understand how people do so well when they haven't been, it's incredible.

What's people thoughts on uni - did you go ?

Edited December 21, 2014 by Tayls

[AlwaysAVFC]

This thread makes me want a new job more than ever. There's only one thing holding me back, I'm absolutely awful at interviews and have no idea why. I not only don't sell myself I often undersell my ability. I'm sure eventually i'll ace one and the right one, but its frustrating to say the least. Ultimately it must be confidence, which is a weird one as I am confident in my own ability, even if I have to do things that I've never done before. Its just interviews which I struggle at big time which makes it even more frustrating.

Keep doing them - make a note of what you wished you said after you reflect on the interview - put that in your locker for next time.

I once had 2 interviews in 1 day - the morning was so - so - but it was fresh in my mind.....(what I wished I said) - afternoon interview went like a dream - I came out knowing I had bagged it (which I had)

I won't give up, I'm sure it will all help in the long run and know I'll get there in the end. It's not like I've never got a job, just struggling for my next one.

My last interview was the worst outcome as they actually offered me a job but not the one I went for, it was the same amount of money I was on and would have had to relocate which I was happy to do with the original role but not without a pay increase. Knowing they liked me but didn't think I was upto the role I was being interviewed for really pissed me off for a while.

Having a break from looking for roles at the moment but will start again in the new year.

[CVByrne]

Just curious. What do people consider a 'bad, 'average' or 'good' salary?

Probably best to split out by age ranges.

 

Late teen:-

Mid 20s:-

30:-

40:-

50:-

 

I'd be intrigued to see the spread of responses.

 

 

Depends on where you live. A pint costs twice as much here in London than up in Brum. That's before we even begin to talk about Rent. 

[CVByrne]

 

Depends where you live I suppose.

In London I would say £30k to £35k is average.  £40k to £50k is a decent salary.  £50k to £65k is a good salary and £65k + is a very good salary.

 

£30K to £35K wouldn't get you very far in London at all imho.  If you lived outside, a good chunk would be swallowed with travel.

 

I think us Brits hate talking about how much we earn on the whole.

 

[Seat68]

My goal for 2015 is to get to 30k. I was hoping to be earning the same as my age, I never wanted to go below that, but... I'm 26 now and I'm on 25k. Grrrr. With my current role which I only started last month there is potential to go further, which was what I needed. However, I'm one of those guys that thinks I could only ever earn the really big bucks if I went to Uni. I just don't understand how people do so well when they haven't been, it's incredible.

What's people thoughts on uni - did you go ?

No, not at all, and effectively I only started down my current career path about 8 years ago and its worked out well for me.

[omariqy]

The point on disposable income is a good one.  Reminds me of this article.

 

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/12/lifestyle-already-designed-real-reason-forty-hour-workweek.html

 

 

Your Lifestyle Has Already Been Designed (The Real Reason For The Forty-Hour Workweek)

The Mind Unleashed

on 9 December, 2014 at 10:29

 

By David Cain, raptitude.com

Well I’m in the working world again. I’ve found myself a well-paying gig in the engineering industry, and life finally feels like it’s returning to normal after my nine months of traveling.

Because I had been living quite a different lifestyle while I was away, this sudden transition to 9-to-5 existence has exposed something about it that I overlooked before.

Since the moment I was offered the job, I’ve been markedly more careless with my money. Not stupid, just a little quick to pull out my wallet. As a small example, I’m buying expensive coffees again, even though they aren’t nearly as good as New Zealand’s exceptional flat whites, and I don’t get to savor the experience of drinking them on a sunny café patio. When I was away these purchases were less off-handed, and I enjoyed them more.

I’m not talking about big, extravagant purchases. I’m talking about small-scale, casual, promiscuous spending on stuff that doesn’t really add a whole lot to my life. And I won’t actually get paid for another two weeks.

In hindsight I think I’ve always done this when I’ve been well-employed — spending happily during the “flush times.” Having spent nine months living a no-income backpacking lifestyle, I can’t help but be a little more aware of this phenomenon as it happens.

I suppose I do it because I feel I’ve regained a certain stature, now that I am again an amply-paid professional, which seems to entitle me to a certain level of wastefulness. There is a curious feeling of power you get when you drop a couple of twenties without a trace of critical thinking. It feels good to exercise that power of the dollar when you know it will “grow back” pretty quickly anyway.

What I’m doing isn’t unusual at all. Everyone else seems to do this. In fact, I think I’ve only returned to the normal consumer mentality after having spent some time away from it.

One of the most surprising discoveries I made during my trip was that I spent much less per month traveling foreign counties (including countries more expensive than Canada) than I did as a regular working joe back home. I had much more free time, I was visiting some of the most beautiful places in the world, I was meeting new people left and right, I was calm and peaceful and otherwise having an unforgettable time, and somehow it cost me much less than my humble 9-5 lifestyle here in one of Canada’s least expensive cities.

It seems I got much more for my dollar when I was traveling. Why?

A Culture of Unnecessaries

Here in the West, a lifestyle of unnecessary spending has been deliberately cultivated and nurtured in the public by big business. Companies in all kinds of industries have a huge stake in the public’s penchant to be careless with their money. They will seek to encourage the public’s habit of casual or non-essential spending whenever they can.

In the documentary The Corporation, a marketing psychologist discussed one of the methods she used to increase sales. Her staff carried out a study on what effect the nagging of children had on their parents’ likelihood of buying a toy for them. They found out that 20% to 40% of the purchases of their toyswould not have occurred if the child didn’t nag its parents. One in four visits to theme parks would not have taken place. They used these studies to market their products directly to children, encouraging them to nag their parents to buy.

This marketing campaign alone represents many millions of dollars that were spent because of demand that was completely manufactured.

“You can manipulate consumers into wanting, and therefore buying, your products. It’s a game.” ~ Lucy Hughes, co-creator of “The Nag Factor”

This is only one small example of something that has been going on for a very long time. Big companies didn’t make their millions by earnestly promoting the virtues of their products, they made it by creating a culture of hundreds of millions of people that buy way more than they need and try to chase away dissatisfaction with money.

We buy stuff to cheer ourselves up, to keep up with the Joneses, to fulfill our childhood vision of what our adulthood would be like, to broadcast our status to the world, and for a lot of other psychological reasons that have very little to do with how useful the product really is. How much stuff is in your basement or garage that you haven’t used in the past year?

The real reason for the forty-hour workweek

The ultimate tool for corporations to sustain a culture of this sort is to develop the 40-hour workweek as the normal lifestyle. Under these working conditions people have to build a life in the evenings and on weekends. This arrangement makes us naturally more inclined to spend heavily on entertainment and conveniences because our free time is so scarce.

I’ve only been back at work for a few days, but already I’m noticing that the more wholesome activities are quickly dropping out of my life: walking, exercising, reading, meditating, and extra writing.

The one conspicuous similarity between these activities is that they cost little or no money, but they take time.

Suddenly I have a lot more money and a lot less time, which means I have a lot more in common with the typical working North American than I did a few months ago. While I was abroad I wouldn’t have thought twice about spending the day wandering through a national park or reading my book on the beach for a few hours. Now that kind of stuff feels like it’s out of the question. Doing either one would take most of one of my precious weekend days!

The last thing I want to do when I get home from work is exercise. It’s also the last thing I want to do after dinner or before bed or as soon as I wake, and that’s really all the time I have on a weekday.

This seems like a problem with a simple answer: work less so I’d have more free time. I’ve already proven to myself that I can live a fulfilling lifestyle with less than I make right now. Unfortunately, this is close to impossible in my industry, and most others. You work 40-plus hours or you work zero. My clients and contractors are all firmly entrenched in the standard-workday culture, so it isn’t practical to ask them not to ask anything of me after 1pm, even if I could convince my employer not to.

The eight-hour workday developed during the industrial revolution in Britain in the 19th century, as a respite for factory workers who were being exploited with 14- or 16-hour workdays.

As technologies and methods advanced, workers in all industries became able to produce much more value in a shorter amount of time. You’d think this would lead to shorter workdays.

But the 8-hour workday is too profitable for big business, not because of the amount of work people get done in eight hours (the average office worker gets less than three hours of actual work done in 8 hours) but because it makes for such a purchase-happy public. Keeping free time scarce means people pay a lot more for convenience, gratification, and any other relief they can buy. It keeps them watching television, and its commercials. It keeps them unambitious outside of work.

We’ve been led into a culture that has been engineered to leave us tired, hungry for indulgence, willing to pay a lot for convenience and entertainment, and most importantly, vaguely dissatisfied with our lives so that we continue wanting things we don’t have. We buy so much because it always seems like something is still missing.

Western economies, particularly that of the United States, have been built in a very calculated manner on gratification, addiction, and unnecessary spending. We spend to cheer ourselves up, to reward ourselves, to celebrate, to fix problems, to elevate our status, and to alleviate boredom.

Can you imagine what would happen if all of America stopped buying so much unnecessary fluff that doesn’t add a lot of lasting value to our lives?

The economy would collapse and never recover.

All of America’s well-publicized problems, including obesity, depression, pollution and corruption are what it costs to create and sustain a trillion-dollar economy. For the economy to be “healthy”, America has to remain unhealthy. Healthy, happy people don’t feel like they need much they don’t already have, and that means they don’t buy a lot of junk, don’t need to be entertained as much, and they don’t end up watching a lot of commercials.

The culture of the eight-hour workday is big business’ most powerful tool for keeping people in this same dissatisfied state where the answer to every problem is to buy something.

You may have heard of Parkinson’s Law. It is often used in reference to time usage: the more time you’ve been given to do something, the more time it will take you to do it. It’s amazing how much you can get done in twenty minutes if twenty minutes is all you have. But if you have all afternoon, it would probably take way longer.

Most of us treat our money this way. The more we make, the more we spend. It’s not that we suddenly need to buy more just because we make more, only that we can, so we do. In fact, it’s quite difficult for us to avoid increasing our standard of living (or at least our rate of spending) every time we get a raise.

I don’t think it’s necessary to shun the whole ugly system and go live in the woods, pretending to be a deaf-mute, as Holden Caulfield often fantasized. But we could certainly do well to understand what big commerce really wants us to be. They’ve been working for decades to create millions of ideal consumers, and they have succeeded. Unless you’re a real anomaly, your lifestyle has already been designed.

The perfect customer is dissatisfied but hopeful, uninterested in serious personal development, highly habituated to the television, working full-time, earning a fair amount, indulging during their free time, and somehow just getting by.

Is this you?

Two weeks ago I would have said hell no, that’s not me, but if all my weeks were like this one has been, that might be wishful thinking.

Photo by joelogon

via filmsforaction.org

Credits: David Cain, raptitude.com

[jonno_2004]

Over the past week I've had 4 interviews for a job in London, had the last one this morning and didn't feel it went too well - quite disappointing given the amount of 'hoops' I've had to jump through. Had a lot of mixed feelings throughout the entire process given the obvious uproot and relocation, but managed to not convey it at all and pretty much sold it to myself - very much looking forward to a final decision now.

[smetrov]

Over the past week I've had 4 interviews for a job in London, had the last one this morning and didn't feel it went too well - quite disappointing given the amount of 'hoops' I've had to jump through. Had a lot of mixed feelings throughout the entire process given the obvious uproot and relocation, but managed to not convey it at all and pretty much sold it to myself - very much looking forward to a final decision now.

 

I am always wary of these convoluted interview processes - it puts me off the company if they make you jump through to many hoops before youre even on the payroll. 

[Genie]

 

Over the past week I've had 4 interviews for a job in London, had the last one this morning and didn't feel it went too well - quite disappointing given the amount of 'hoops' I've had to jump through. Had a lot of mixed feelings throughout the entire process given the obvious uproot and relocation, but managed to not convey it at all and pretty much sold it to myself - very much looking forward to a final decision now.

 

I am always wary of these convoluted interview processes - it puts me off the company if they make you jump through to many hoops before youre even on the payroll. 

 

I agree, I once had 3 interviews for a job, then didn't get it. Even before the news I didn't get it I was seriously questioning why they couldn't make a decision on the 2 lengthy meetings we already had which worried me about the company themselves.

 

By going back each time it does come across as a bit desperate. After the 2nd interview I wish I had said no to the 3rd, given them a take it or leave it as I am not going to be messed around. It probably would have sent a positive message in certain ways that I hold myself in high regard and consider myself above being treated in such a way.