TrentVilla Posted July 18, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2014 The sad reality is that much like with Crimea the West will huff and puff and then hope something comes along to take the media focus elsewhere, they aren't going to do anything about Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Listening to the Russian at the United Nations this could all get a big messy very quickly. Hold on to your hats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 To be perfectly honest I've no problem with Russia taking back the Crimea. It was stupidity of one Ukranians decision to gift part of Russia full of Russian people to the Ukraine when they were all part of the Soviet Union. What Russia is doing now in the Ukraine is wrong. Arming rebels to hurt the Ukraine has resulted in death of many innocent European and Asians peoples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 To be perfectly honest I've no problem with Russia taking back the Crimea. It was stupidity of one Ukranians decision to gift part of Russia full of Russian people to the Ukraine when they were all part of the Soviet Union. What Russia is doing now in the Ukraine is wrong. Arming rebels to hurt the Ukraine has resulted in death of many innocent European and Asians peoples. Not quite getting this... Khruschev did it didn't he? Wasn't he Russian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Very sad- about 100 of the victims were AIDS activists and researchers heading to a conference in Melbourne. Some very dedicated and talented people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Putin calling for a ceasefire today, go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2014 Putin controlled media is reportedly reporting that it was Ukrainian rebels who shot it down , one station even saying the Russians shot down the Ukrainian plane that downed the airliner the world will be a better place once Putin isn't involved in it , lunatic of the highest order 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 To be perfectly honest I've no problem with Russia taking back the Crimea. It was stupidity of one Ukranians decision to gift part of Russia full of Russian people to the Ukraine when they were all part of the Soviet Union. What Russia is doing now in the Ukraine is wrong. Arming rebels to hurt the Ukraine has resulted in death of many innocent European and Asians peoples. Not quite getting this... Khruschev did it didn't he? Wasn't he Russian? Born on the border with Ukraine and lived and worked most his life in Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted July 18, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Poignant gap in traffic today. Should have been like this all along. Edited July 18, 2014 by trekka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 18, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 18, 2014 Quiet easy to deduce what has happened here. Everyone knows the Russians have been giving the rebels porwerful weapons, including anti aircraft missiles.Except that isn't the case these Bok (Buk?) missile sets were liberated by the separatists from the Ukrainian forces early in the campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Quiet easy to deduce what has happened here. Everyone knows the Russians have been giving the rebels porwerful weapons, including anti aircraft missiles. Except that isn't the case these Bok (Buk?) missile sets were liberated by the separatists from the Ukrainian forces early in the campaign Not according to Nato and logic. They only recently began to shoot down fighter jets. Also the video of the weapon used sans 2 missiles on its way back to Russia is the smoking gun tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Someone somewhere is finding out out how long it takes to clean a rocket launcher with bleach and a toothbrush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Sky news reporter walking in to the crash site contaminating it saying .....this is a crime scene ....**** sky news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 They were shameless clearings in the woods last time around. Didn't take kindly to the BBC's slow zoom on the Geordie father's tearing up either. This is meant to be journalism, not an episode of Eastenders. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Why is newsnight (in their 'detailed' article on the subject) calling this an 'act of terror'? Edited July 18, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 the world will be a better place once Putin isn't involved in it , lunatic of the highest orderBut he does a great Olympics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted July 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why is newsnight (in their 'detailed article on the subject) calling this an 'act of terror'?Is it perhaps because the latest law restricting our liberty, like the others which preceded it, rushed through with the shameful support of the Labour leadership, requires a narrative of continual terrorist threat to undermine our critical faculties? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why is newsnight (in their 'detailed article on the subject) calling this an 'act of terror'? Is it perhaps because the latest law restricting our liberty, like the others which preceded it, rushed through with the shameful support of the Labour leadership, requires a narrative of continual terrorist threat to undermine our critical faculties? Newsnight is not working on behalf of the government. 'Terror' is a headline that resonates better with viewers than 'mistake', that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why is newsnight (in their 'detailed article on the subject) calling this an 'act of terror'?Is it perhaps because the latest law restricting our liberty, like the others which preceded it, rushed through with the shameful support of the Labour leadership, requires a narrative of continual terrorist threat to undermine our critical faculties?Newsnight is not working on behalf of the government. 'Terror' is a headline that resonates better with viewers than 'mistake', that is all. Dream on. You couldn't put a hair between the BBC line and the government of the day. What on earth do you mean by "resonates better with viewers"? Is it a euphemism for "they have been trained to accept"? The whole point is that it's a narrative, ie a continuing story. We are told repeatedly that we made at great risk from terrorism. Where there is a risk, the cause, our illegal and immoral interventions in other countries, is not reported or discussed. Where there is little or no risk, the risk is talked up to justify state grabs of power and the curtailment of our freedom. From your other posts, I thought you would be alert to and in opposition to the continual extension of state control of our lives. But it seems I am mistaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) 'Terror' is a headline that resonates better with viewers than 'mistake', that is all. He he he he he. Edited July 18, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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