The_Rev Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Bit late in the day to join the thread, but why the either/or mentality? Truth is Pablo sits somewhere in the middle. JPA was a decent player. He wasnt a flop, and he wasnt really a hero. People are forgetting about him already, he will be a footnote in 20 years. Good player, not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeevilla Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 He was OK. Had more disappointing seasons than good ones so I don't see how he can be considered a 'legend' really. As someone said previously, Dion Dublin was a better player for Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I really liked JPA - at that time he was one of our most skillful and intelligent players on the pitch. I think the rest of our squad weren't upto his abilities - I could imagine him banging them week in week out with the current team, esp with Young, Barry and Milner in midfield. He was a good player for us and deserves his place amongst our cult heroes IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 This has been done to death now....for the last time EVER. Good striker, under rated by some, shone when we played fast flowing attacking football, disappeared when we resorted to lumping it. Would have bagged a lot more if we had done a bit more of the former and a lot less of the latter. By all accounts a nice guy and a good pro. End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 60 goals in 203 games, and that's shit? Yes, course it is............ His last three seasons were undeniably shit. Three goals in the whole of 2005/06 season was a pathetic return, even if it was a struggling team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Much closer to flop than hero IMO. We spent alot of money on him and only really got about a season and a half of good play from him. Never quite understood why he seemed to be such a fan favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 60 goals in 203 games, and that's shit? Yes, course it is............ His last three seasons were undeniably shit. Three goals in the whole of 2005/06 season was a pathetic return, even if it was a struggling team. Obviously that was substandard, but he did have a few injuries and also was left out a lot, which didn't seem to make sense at the time. The fact is JPA could have been the crappest player of all time, but the manner of his arrival endeared him to a lot of fans and will therefore be a hero. I personally think he was a gifted footballer and I enjoyed watching him. My favourite player along with Savo (another misunderstood genius!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 His first goal for the club effectively sent the Cack down to Division One where they've remained ever more - cult status just for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Also i know he didn't get a decent send off but i hope he doesn't come back and be presented at a game. Over the last few years i think only paul mcgrath, ron saunders and the 82 squad have been presented to the crowd, i think we should keep that honour for true club legends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 His first goal for the club effectively sent the Cack down to Division One where they've remained ever more - cult status just for that! What a night we had in the Drakes Drum after that game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowandlow Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 His first goal for the club effectively sent the Cack down to Division One where they've remained ever more - cult status just for that! What a night we had in the Drakes Drum after that game! that is a myth, Coventry would have been relegated even if they had won cus Derby beat Man Utd at Old Trafford and Boro had a goal difference that was about 30 better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Also i know he didn't get a decent send off but i hope he doesn't come back and be presented at a game. Over the last few years i think only paul mcgrath, ron saunders and the 82 squad have been presented to the crowd, i think we should keep that honour for true club legends. Ian Taylor Is another that i can remember, on more than 1 occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I put hero, i think his goals in the season we did well is enough to be remember fondly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Neither a hero or a flop as I've said previously on the thread. The sort of player you really needed to have a style of player around for him to do well, ironic thing is he was the right player at the wrong time, he'd fit in very well in this team imo with Young supplying cross after cross and Gabby there. We saw this right at the start of MON's reign when he played upfront alongside Gabby and Luke moore and it worked o.k for a few months although age had caught up with JPA at that point. In short much better than wasters like Balaban and Baros, on a par with Savo but not quite up there with the likes of Dublin and Yorke imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I liked him and was very excited when right towards the end MON played him up front in a triangle with Young left and Gabby right. But he only gave us one maybe two good seasons and would go ages without scoring or looking like scoring, i think if he had arrived at Villa today with the team we have and MON in charge then he could have been even better. I agree not a hero but not a flop. McGrath was a hero, Dublin was a hero Balaban, Curcic and many others were flops JPA doesn't fit in either category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 that is a myth, Coventry would have been relegated even if they had won cus Derby beat Man Utd at Old Trafford and Boro had a goal difference that was about 30 better Most wrong. If Coventry had won they'd have mathematically had a chance of staying up. Us winning made it mathematically impossible. Therefore we relegated Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Did anyone see JPA in yesterday's match programme ? Met up with some Villa fans in New York apparently and says he always checks every day to see what's happening at Villa and still misses us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 that is a myth, Coventry would have been relegated even if they had won cus Derby beat Man Utd at Old Trafford and Boro had a goal difference that was about 30 better Most wrong. If Coventry had won they'd have mathematically had a chance of staying up. Us winning made it mathematically impossible. Therefore we relegated Coventry. Indeed. Living within a Coventry postcode and having Coventry fans as some of my closest friends I dare say I have given this subject more thought than most. Truth is, Coventry arrived at Villa Park that day a Premier League club. They left Villa Park beaten and relegated. At full time they knew they were gone because of the game they had just played, results elsewhere were academic. Any Coventry fan who tries to convince you otherwise is just desperate to block out the fact that their club were relegated at the place they really really really didnt want to be relegated at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 ^^^ Superb day, fantastic atmosphere, quality end result :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Can't really see the point of spending so much time discussing JPA with all the exceitement there is going on at Villa Park at the moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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