CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Yeah, there are a good amount of neo-Nazis in a new government that is far from ideal. The situation is far more complex inside Ukraine, and it isn't fair on the people (most of which protested for a more democratic system, not fascists) that they have effectively become pawns in a much bigger game between Washington and Moscow. I worry that, yet again, the average person will be shafted by external forces, and will be left in a situation that was not of their choosing. Edited March 6, 2014 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I'm amused by the sudden crises of conscience these women had about drawing paychecks from a Kremlin propaganda network. I would say that these women must be under huge personal pressure but being a cynic I am sure that their new-found ethics will be rewarded with a job somewhere else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Shaun Walker has just been at a press conference by Rustam Temirgaliev, the Crimean vice premier who first gave news of the imminent referendum on union with Russia, and it seems the Crimean government is taking an even tougher line than expected. The 16 March referendum is being held, Temirgaliev said, purely to ratify the decision of the Crimean parliament to join the Russian Federation, and the parliament has appealed to Russia to assist with this. He said that Crimea was effectively Russian immediately: "From today, as Crimea is part of the Russian Federation the only legal forces here are troops of the Russian Federation, and any troops of the third country will be considered to be armed groups with all the associated consequences." The assumption is, Shaun adds, that this is being done with the full approval, even encouragement, of Russia, though it remains to be seen in Putin might use this to show his supposed moderation by refusing to act as decisively as the Crimean MPs wish. grauniad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted March 6, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 6, 2014 Anschluss FTW. That said, without the approval of the government in the Ukraine it's kinda meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 If those troops are not Russian the Ukrainian troops should shoot them ....see what happens then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Gonna be a tense few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Well, of those that turned up to vote, 93% chose to join Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 No surprise there then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Is the recent vote in the Crimea more or less legitimate than the current government to the West Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Depends on what form of change you prefer: mass peaceful demonstrations or military intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 poll vote sounds like the falklanders one last year, though the crimeans found a few more volunteers to go naw this time. can't see any fun resolution here :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) John Simpson (talking about the 'sanctions' inposed on the Beeb): "It's never a good idea to seem weak to Mr Putin. He does like to jump on it if so." (That may not be verbatim - it's from my poor memory - but I think the message is clear). Edited March 17, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 poll vote sounds like the falklanders one last year, though the crimeans found a few more volunteers to go naw this time. can't see any fun resolution here :/ It reminds me a lot of the Northern Ireland situation which has played such a big part of our history for the last hundred or so years. The bang is probably going to be a lot louder when it does go off in Crimea, but the comparisons between Russia and Great Britain are there for all to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 There are quite a few people on Twitter making the entirely valid comparison between this and Israel, and noting that Israeli occupation of foreign territory and multiple murder of civilians has led to not a peep from the US, big, bold defenders of "freedom". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Someone in this thread already made the correct comparison: Sudetenland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) There are quite a few people on Twitter making the entirely valid comparison between this and Israel, and noting that Israeli occupation of foreign territory and multiple murder of civilians has led to not a peep from the US, big, bold defenders of "freedom".The comparison between this and Israel how, Peter?Israeli occupation of lands with a majority population who are neither Israeli nor wishing to be Israeli? Edited March 18, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Someone in this thread already made the correct comparison: Sudetenland. I don't understand why there always has to be a specific comparisons. There are similarities to the Sudetenland, but there are also a lot of differences. This is a complicated diplomatic situation, different from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 grauniad Why do people spell it like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 grauniad Why do people spell it like this? Back when they were the Manchester Guardian printing the papers with typesetters apparently they frequently got letters jumbled leading to spelling mistakes like 'Grauniad' instead of Guardian. Well that's the explanation I have seen anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Someone in this thread already made the correct comparison: Sudetenland. I was puzzled for a good minute wondering how Mackems were relevant here. Then I reread your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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