TrentVilla Posted March 18, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 18, 2014 Got no respect for Jose. Been massively irritating all season. The Ramires comments are just very unhelpful. Agreed. And people had the gall to compare him with Clough, no comparisons at all. Classless. I think its rather debatable how much class Clough had personally. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Got no respect for Jose. Been massively irritating all season. The Ramires comments are just very unhelpful. Agreed. And people had the gall to compare him with Clough, no comparisons at all. Classless. I think its rather debatable how much class Clough had personally. Which is a step up from Jose Mourinho, who is totally classless. Brian Clough was a sincere man with profound values, who could conduct himself as a gentleman and a "proper" winner. It is sickening to even suggest they are the same. Edited March 18, 2014 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 A lad that I coach with, had to escort the ex head of real madrids physiotherapy department (he was top man under mourinho, but ancelotti moved him to the youth team and hired his son when he came in!). Anyway he asked him about mourinho, and he said he's the nicest guy you could imagine, everyone loves him, and all the media circus is to take the pressure off his players, not exactly groundbreaking I know, but def confirms why he can get the most out of players and they love playing for him, even though he appears to some of the rest of us as a cock! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 18, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2014 Got no respect for Jose. Been massively irritating all season. The Ramires comments are just very unhelpful. Agreed. And people had the gall to compare him with Clough, no comparisons at all. Classless. I think its rather debatable how much class Clough had personally. Which is a step up from Jose Mourinho, who is totally classless. Nigel Clough was a sincere man with profound values, who could conduct himself as a gentleman and a "proper" winner. It is sickening to even suggest they are the same. Nigel...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Got no respect for Jose. Been massively irritating all season. The Ramires comments are just very unhelpful. Agreed. And people had the gall to compare him with Clough, no comparisons at all. Classless. I think its rather debatable how much class Clough had personally. Which is a step up from Jose Mourinho, who is totally classless. Nigel Clough was a sincere man with profound values, who could conduct himself as a gentleman and a "proper" winner. It is sickening to even suggest they are the same. Nigel...? Brain Clough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Does class win trophies? Surely the respect for Mourinho is derived from all that he has achieved over the last decade, not whether he is likable or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I think there are some rose tinted spectacles on show here about Brian Clough. Great manager but to suggest he is a saint is way off the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Wasn't Clough senior racist, or made some kind of racist comment regarding Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Wasn't Clough senior racist, or made some kind of racist comment regarding Africa. I'm willing to bet that most people of his generation have made the odd racist comment thinking it was perfectly acceptable language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Does class win trophies? Surely the respect for Mourinho is derived from all that he has achieved over the last decade, not whether he is likable or not.I think the apparent comparisons with Clough were what brought on the 'class' discussion. Respect is a different discussion completely, I doubt anyone questions his managerial credentials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 A lad that I coach with, had to escort the ex head of real madrids physiotherapy department (he was top man under mourinho, but ancelotti moved him to the youth team and hired his son when he came in!). Anyway he asked him about mourinho, and he said he's the nicest guy you could imagine, everyone loves him, and all the media circus is to take the pressure off his players, not exactly groundbreaking I know, but def confirms why he can get the most out of players and they love playing for him, even though he appears to some of the rest of us as a cock! There was a pretty good story about him taking that fan on tour with him which backs that up. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130410/real-madrid-fan-jose-mourinho/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I think there are some rose tinted spectacles on show here about Brian Clough. Great manager but to suggest he is a saint is way off the money Yep Clough was no saint and he had a big drinking problem later in his career. How football has changed. Johnny Giles lands a right hook on Kevin Keegan and he didn't even get punished for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 didnt Clough make comments about Justin Fashanu when he was playing for him at Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 28, 2014 He's spoken out about the Villa match in his press conference today, saying that the refereeing performance in that game could cost them the title. He's also said that PSG should be investigated about FFP. I used to like the bloke and thought his mind games were clever, now he's just an absolute tosspot who seems to have become a parody of himself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 28, 2014 Which is a step up from Jose Mourinho, who is totally classless. Brian Clough was a sincere man with profound values, who could conduct himself as a gentleman and a "proper" winner. It is sickening to even suggest they are the same. We will have to agree to disagree on that one given that this thread isn't about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 28, 2014 He's spoken out about the Villa match in his press conference today, saying that the refereeing performance in that game could cost them the title. He's also said that PSG should be investigated about FFP. I used to like the bloke and thought his mind games were clever, now he's just an absolute tosspot who seems to have become a parody of himself. I'm not sure what you are taking issue with in those comments. The 1st sending off in our game was soft and in my view changed the course of the game, had it not happened I don't think we would have won. So I think he is right, although the 2nd sending off can't be defended. As for PSG I think they should be but the timing of his comments are obviously intentionally and to serve a purpose which is what he has always done. So I don't really disagree with him or see these comments as being any different to how what he has always done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 28, 2014 It's the complete lack of any sense of irony. Ivanovic at Stamford Bridge? Should have been sent off but scored the winner. West Brom's 2-2 draw at Stamford Bridge? Dodgy penalty in stoppage time. I'm sure there are more. The PSG thing, the timing is because of the CL match, but again there it's not as if Chelsea have scraped by on free transfers and youth players is it? The guy's a whopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 28, 2014 But the lack of irony or self awareness in terms of things going their way isn't new he like everyone manager has always been like that. And yes Chelsea have had the benefit of financial muscle but they weren't subject to rules at the time. They are now and are seemingly trying to comply , I think he has a point. I don't think Jose is any different now to he was the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 He's spoken out about the Villa match in his press conference today, saying that the refereeing performance in that game could cost them the title. He's also said that PSG should be investigated about FFP. I used to like the bloke and thought his mind games were clever, now he's just an absolute tosspot who seems to have become a parody of himself. Absolutely correct. The sooner he leaves again, the better IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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