The_Lions_Roar Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 The players also need to take responsility, it pisses me off that they don't say anything until a manager gets sacked. They then come out and say 'its our fault, we need to do better'. Start performing now! I really don't see the point in sacking Lambert. The problem is dar deeper than that. Anyone that comes in would struggle working under lerner. We should be putting pressure on him not Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I really do not care about the relegation threat ..... all I want is for Villa to get back to playing exciting, attractive, positive, entertaining football even if that means we lose a few games 2-3, 3-4, whatever. It isn't losing that is doing my head in, its enduring the worst brand of football I have ever seen at VP since my debut in the 1960s and that includes the McLeish era. That style MUST be something that Lambert and his coaching team are drilling into the team because they are all serving it up to a man. There is a total aversion to playing down the flanks and the response of all players to the mildest 1on1 threat is to turn, run back and pass backwards leaving the CBs or Guzan to distribute 50 yard passes in hope. Only Delph has shown any positive intent on the ball and that is not enough. As for the players, sorry but the likes of KEA and Luna to name two are simply well below Premiership standard ...... in fact neither would make most League Two sides if we were honest. I can find no hope for the future under Lambert - there is no hope for the future under Lambert - he MUST go and please let it be soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I haven't seen the game .. MAybe first 20 mins .. Disappointment .. ~_~ Hope we don't lose against Swansea !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCAM Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Lambert has spent money though, it's not like he's had nothing.I was concerned about Lambert right from the off, we were losing games with his new kids, even though we had experienced players in the squad. I understood that they didn't fit in with his philosophy and also within his targets of cutting the wage bill, so wanted them out, but surely he should have made use of them while he had them? Even just to put them in the shop window. Of course the decision to swap Given for Guzan was the right one.N'Zogbia has been poor for us, but come on, he is a decent player on his day, so why can't he get near the squad?! Don't give me the attitude line, every football player these days has an attitude. Redknapp dealt with lots of them at Spurs. We dumped Collins and Dunne (both of whom were capable of dropping many, many bollucks) who were decent, experienced defenders, to rely on Clark and Baker to play with Vlaar. He then replaced them both a season later by bringing in Okore. Problem is with making a poor starter your backup, is that one day, you will have to rely on that back up to play...as 1 defender, Clark mixed with Baker would excellent, Baker's strength with Clarks defensive thought...as 2 separate players they are awful.Ostracising players never works out well, especially when you don't have players good enough to deputise.He has to go, I'm certain we can't bear Swansea...even if we do, it will paper over the cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myko Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 N'Zogbia has been poor for us, but come on, he is a decent player on his day, so why can't he get near the squad?! Don't give me the attitude line, every football player these days has an attitude. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2514642/Aston-Villa-boss-Paul-Lambert-admits-Charles-NZogbia-long-way-return.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 After Stoke, I said the next two games would determine where I stand with Lambert but unfortunately my patience cannot be stretched any further after that utter diatribe served up in front of a magnificent home support today. He is absolutely clueless and this club is in free-fall. But do you know what, this stems back to last season when one person and one person alone kept us in the Premier League: Christian Benteke. He contributed to a ridiculous number of goals, be it directly or with assists and it was only a matter of time that our one and only threat was targeted by other teams or had a period off form. Unfortunately for Villa this season, both has happened and this 'team' of dross is what we are left with. Let's get one thing straight, and I can't believe no-one has mentioned it yet, but Lambert now officially has a WORSE goals and points per game average when playing at home than under Alex McLeish, a manager that many can't even bare think about. Paul Lambert I'm afraid has been given an incredibly easy ride up until now BECAUSE he succeeded AMC and for that reason only. The fans wanted OGS if I recall correctly, but when Lambert came in he was backed by everybody, as would any manager have been after the McLeish debacle. But he is now performing on a par and the football is just as bad as under a manager which many labelled our worst ever, so what does that make Lambert? Yes, he has had a small budget but I'm sorry that excuse just doesn't cut it anymore when you buy two players (Kozak/Helenius) for the same position and neglect to buy anyone for positions which really need attention (attacking midfield). Surely, if your budget is tight, you buy even more carefully? But Lambert has bought trash in terms of personnel and in terms of where that money has been targeted which are two major flaws of the "he's had no money" argument. Other people have said it but that team is just not Premier League standard, the only surprise is that we've already accumulated 19 points but without Benteke, who do we have to save our bacon this season? Frankly, and this may sound defeatist, but we've been very lucky for a long time now. We should have been relegated long before now and 2013/14 is looking like our luck might finally run out as I can't think of three teams worse than us at present. This club is rotten from the very top down to the very bottom. Randolph Lerner was a mistake from the very day he walked into this club, knowing absolutely nothing about football and appointing non-footballing people to make the catastrophic short-term decisions which have resulted in the collective mess we see before us. However, I've argued that point for years and, alas, Lerner doesn't care what I or any of us think. We are his business. In terms of manager though, i think he has to go and with immediate effect. When you have head coaches and players swearing at fans for daring to give an opinion, I think it just highlights what a shambles we have become under Lambert. We play no better football than under McLeish, are no further forward 18 months down the line, he seems completely unwilling to accept that anything is going wrong, nor able to inspire/motivate and try and change things to put things right. He is out of his depth, particularly, with the scale of the challenge presented to him at Villa and, for me, the statistics speak for themselves. His position is untenable. As I said in the Stoke thread, he comes out with lots of buzzwords, inspirational visions and bleats on about his "project" when the only thing he has achieved is to turn a really bad team, worse. The majority of our players can't do the basics such as pass and move or trap a football and I'm sorry, that is just completely unacceptable and is a legacy Lambert must live with. What on earth do they do in training? I can accept limitations and I don't think many Villa fans have 'unrealistic expectations' nowadays - I just want a half-decent team which can do the basics well and occasionally excite me, this team is way out on both counts and things appear to be getting worse, rather than this so-called 'improvement' Lambert bored us with for the first period of this season. Funny that Paul, I thought statistics meant very little to you? Lambert out. Lerner and Faulkner, as I've been pleading for years, out. Really top post mate. It exactly sums up my position and I think is the view of many fans. I don't see how there can be any apologists left for Lambert and Lerner. Sadly we are stuck with a clueless disinterested **** of an owner but at least we could get a manager in who might just save us from relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDeePee Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd love to know who the heck voted for El Ahmadi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "It's tough to take. There was a lot of endeavour, a lot of hard work, but not much creativity and we were hit with a classic counter-attack." Well y'know maybe Paul you should have played/bought some creative players rather than bombing the ones you had out the club and not replacing them. and he got rid of a creative player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Check the palace goal, again it's KEA who gets caught out. Terrible player can't fault his Workrate but he looks conference level. The only players to get credit yesterday are Guzan who kept the score down and albrighton who fizzed some decent crosses in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daholteend Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I never thought that I would even think this but today I asked myself "What would Deadly do ?" . Mr Lambert would be out of a job well before now wouldn't he ? The next question was "What would deadly and Steve Stride do to stem the tide of failure?" and some one (like me) might have said "Roberto Di Matteo lives down in Leamington Spa as far as I am aware. Get on down to Leamington before New Years Day and find out if there is any interest because if something isn't done quickly there is no way in heck that we will be able to accumulate 19 more points this season, and even if we did get 19 points this season I dont think that will be enough to keep us in the Prem." The flaw in my suggestion though is this . I don't believe that Mr Lerner or Mr Faulkner have the balls to make the changes that they need to. I don't think that Paul Lambert simply has the qualities to be able to steer this club anywhere else right now but oblivion without a brake! Of course that task doesn't require any other strategy than to keep doing what he has been doing all along, saying unintelligible things and occasionally "We go again!" But now I know where we are going if we don't make changes and quickly......nowhere but down, and if they keep him on as manager we might even be finding our way to Portsmouth again in a couple of seasons time! The only glimmer for redemption might be if Ron Vlaar gets fit enough and Benteke magically heals up and finds his form but sadly something tells me that if Atletico Madrid comes up with an half way decent offer or some one like them, even Benteke will be gone to pastures green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 RDM is being paid massively by Chelsea to stay at home. He won't come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daholteend Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 RDM is being paid massively by Chelsea to stay at home. He won't come. Thanks for the input. Oh Dear! Next choice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Ronald Koeman and give him £50m in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I have slept on it and the 'pefromance' feels just as bad. It was versus Palace who are shit! Aarrgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daholteend Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Ronald Koeman and give him £50m in Jan. Can't disagree with that. I was one that wished for Frank Rijkaard to replace Houllier. Koeman would be a good choice also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd be equally happy with Rijkaard. I said it after Mcleish the whole club needs a big football name with experience to lift the place. Lambert ! Never wanted him, we backed the wrong horse again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 All these big name managers, forget it. Why would they come to Villa with this squad, and with this budget? West Brom is probably a more attractive choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I remember Rijkaard coming out before wr got Mcleish stating his intrest in the villa job. Realistically though other then Barca he has been a failure everywhere else. What we dont want is another young, one season wonder type of manager like Lambert. The likes of mackay, clarke, dyche etc are a big no no for me. There really isnt much out there. The previous real betis manager pepe mel maybe. Slaven Bilic maybe?? Bob Bradley is always linked to us but again what has he really fone other then USA?? No one likes him, especially villa fans, but I would love an experienced guy like Harry Redknapp to come to us. Lets be honest NO WAY will lambert get the sack even if we go down. Lerner aint gonna be paying big compensation for another managerial departure again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakal Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'd love to know who the heck voted for El Ahmadi... I. He was quite decent, especially in the first half, made a lot of good runs, showed some fight. Who else i should vote for? Luna? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) Our football club has no football identity, we have gone from the nations 2nd favourite team to people laughing at the state of our team. We need a young manager with a footballing philosophy & Lerner to back him with at least 30m +money from sale of benteke Edited December 27, 2013 by dakid007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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