mjmooney Posted November 17, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2013 I may have been slightly glib and short hand. I'm not sure I've ever actually heard any Santana. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZceAQSJvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 17, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 17, 2013 ... but they were useless, the only half talented one got bullied and left the band because he could play an instrument and he liked the beatles...Except none of that is true. Cook and especially Jones have rarely been out of work since the Pistols, both are quite well thought of musicians. Matlock left of his own free will because he was "sick of all the bullshit" (him and Lydon didn't get on and McLaren kept trying to make the situation worse - deliberately).But the idea that the Pistols were useless as musicians is a fallacy. Sid was useless granted but the others were not 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) see, I'm a lot older now and if I press play it could cost me a fortune in back catalogue catch up...... ..that's fascinating, that live at Woodstock is bloody excellent, the rest I've just skimmed across on youtube is absolutely what I don't like and is the pointless point I was clumsily attempting to make. I wonder if Sanatana are a victim of 'production'? Live is far superior to recorded (on my 10 minute crash course), that track live has a real energy but recorded it's like somebody poured golden syrup all over it. Technically excellent I'm sure. Edited November 17, 2013 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Santana's first four albums are great. Lotus has quite a lot of fat, it was 3 LPs. Across those 3 LPs there's 1 Their demos The drummer Michael Shrieve was 18/19 when he did that. The one with John McLaughlin in white is good... I think... It's been a while. Anything after is mire of bland noodling, but it wasn't just Santana. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Yes love Santana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The Sex Pistols are an unfortunate example for this thread because Chris Thomas who produced Never Mind the Bollocks was a protege of George Martin and was present when the Beatles recorded the White Album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 is that why I can hear violins and tantric choral cow bells in the background? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 18, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2013 ... but they were useless, the only half talented one got bullied and left the band because he could play an instrument and he liked the beatles... Except none of that is true. Cook and especially Jones have rarely been out of work since the Pistols, both are quite well thought of musicians. Matlock left of his own free will because he was "sick of all the bullshit" (him and Lydon didn't get on and McLaren kept trying to make the situation worse - deliberately). But the idea that the Pistols were useless as musicians is a fallacy. Sid was useless granted but the others were not Exactly so. Sid wasn't a musician at all, but the original three were a powerhouse rock trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 18, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) see, I'm a lot older now and if I press play it could cost me a fortune in back catalogue catch up...... ..that's fascinating, that live at Woodstock is bloody excellent, the rest I've just skimmed across on youtube is absolutely what I don't like and is the pointless point I was clumsily attempting to make. I wonder if Sanatana are a victim of 'production'? Live is far superior to recorded (on my 10 minute crash course), that track live has a real energy but recorded it's like somebody poured golden syrup all over it. Technically excellent I'm sure. Xann has it spot-on - the first four Santana albums (Santana, Abraxas, Santana III and Caravanserai) are the ones to get. It's not so much 'live vs. studio', as 'early vs. late' (as with so many bands). But if you like the live stuff, there's also this from 1968: Edited November 18, 2013 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I'm going to try to get in to Spillers at lunch time, I'll see what they've got..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 18, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2013 I'm going to try to get in to Spillers at lunch time, I'll see what they've got..... Lots of dog food, I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 you won't winalot of friends with that joke MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 No early Santana at a sensible price, so today it was a bit of Ben Folds Five (Songs for Silverman) for the lady wife and Murray the Hump (Songs of Ignorance) for me. Lots of variations on Santana box sets and wotnot but no £8.99 intro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 18, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2013 No early Santana at a sensible price, so today it was a bit of Ben Folds Five (Songs for Silverman) for the lady wife and Murray the Hump (Songs of Ignorance) for me. Lots of variations on Santana box sets and wotnot but no £8.99 intro I'm all for supporting your local record shop, but if they don't have what you want, they can't blame you for going to Amazon. All the early Santanas available for under six quid each. you won't winalot of friends with that joke MJ I'll have you know my jokes have pedigree, chum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Nah, you can't expect a shop of that size to stock everything. They had some Santana for the older gentleman, but they mostly had stuff for us hipsters that are way way under 50. You can't knock a shop that had Murray the Hump on the shelf, that's relatively obscure. I went in with a list, came out with 2 in my pocket and one on order that they'll have by Wednesday. That'll do for me. I'm sure I could have walked around the corner to HMV or just i-tuned it all but it's basic use it or lose it, and they've got me a good few difficult to obtain gig tickets over the years and they do those little in store mini gigs with many an artiste before their main gig elsewhere in town that evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Santana is one of the greats, he has a unique sound and you can tell its him playing, would come very high in guitarist polls, blackmore number 1 for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I've never liked Santana, I find his music dull. There I've said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Santana sold out and got soft when he did his first collaboration album 10+ years ago, but for a long time he was the bees knees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyShears Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0nIlJKSrVg Edited November 18, 2013 by BillyShears 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 19, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2013 I have decided that not only will I be buying THIS: I will also be buying THIS: 961 pages, and it only takes the story up to the end of 1962. Like I said, embedded in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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