Zatman Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Are some of you still blaming the manager for your countries mediocrity? Seriously? its that or Hodgson vendetta against Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Johnson is poor at this level, Walker wouldn't do any worse and probably do better. I do have to chuckle at Harry Redknapp's usual cheerleading in the sun today asking which other country has two RBs as good as Johnson and Walker! He was being serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 What in the world was the Jay Rodriguez call-up all about? I was bemused when I heard it and he didn't exactly change my mind, Also, Frank Lampard has never had any defensive qualities. Why play him in the position of a defensive midfielder? Baffles me. I'm no Frank Lampard hater but even in his youth, even in his prime, playing him as the deepest midfielder was going to expose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 He played as a more defensive midfielder in Chelsea's CL run in 2012 and played quite well from memory. I suppose he had to play as the older header in the midfield with Gerrard and Carrick out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I don't think he did. Mikel/Luiz/Ramires were there to do the more defensive duties. There seems to be a general belief that as midfielders get older you can drop them deeper and deeper and I suppose you can but there is a difference between playing deep and being a defensive midfielder. I generally think you need one player in the 'destroyer' mould to break up play, make interceptions and then pass the ball simply. That's definitely not Lampard. Lampard can pass the ball well, no doubt but really with a player of his quality they are far more valuable higher up the pitch where they can make key passes. The player to do it for England is obviously Carrick and you're right we missed him. Lampard/Wilshere/Milner really looked soft as shit for a three man midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 He sat very deep in the Barcelona game and in Bayern game as Chelsea tried to contain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I've generally thought we need to go to Brazil playing 4-3-3 or we would get passed to death by too many teams. After watching last night and the two previous qualifiers when we pretty successfully played 4-4-2 I hope Hodgson gets some balls and just goes for it and plays Sturridge and Rooney upfront as a pair with some wingers. Something like: Hart Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines Walcott, Gerrard, Carrick, Townsend Rooney, Sturridge I don't think we'd do that well playing this way but at least we'd go down swinging. It would be a lot better to watch than trying to clog up the game with 3 central midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 drop welbeck? wont happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 think England will go 4 2 3 1 in Brazil but need a player in midfield to distribute the ball and if Carrick isnt fit then they need to give Leon Britton a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 think England will go 4 2 3 1 in Brazil but need a player in midfield to distribute the ball and if Carrick isnt fit then they need to give Leon Britton a chance I agree... If Lambert can get a call up, Britton should too. Cracking little player who deserves a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 drop welbeck? wont happen Wellbeck is the next Heskey, a complete and utter donkey who will amass over 50 caps, with the team achieving **** all over his time as a regular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Welbeck, like Heskey before him, is quite underrated imo. Just because he doesn't score doesn't mean he isn't a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hodgson is a decent manager and deserved a chance to manage england. The problem for roy is that you can't polish a turd. That is the problem though. You call him decent, which is almost the same as mediocre. If he was a club he would be the equivalent of Fulham or WBA, not even Everton or Tottenham. He has never done a great job anywhere important, he has managed 15+ clubs over his career and all he has won is a few trophies in Scandinavia. That was in the 70's and 80's! Oh, one league trophy from Denmark with Copenhagen in 2000/2001. Copenhagen are like Rosenborg, they have much more money than the rest and generally win every other season. Not that it matters of course, because they man is old school and he clearly failed when he was at Liverpool. Liverpool are much like England in a way, the team is not the best but the fans/media demand that they fight for every trophy. England have lots of match-winners and can objectively speaking win the World Cup next season. If Greece can win the EC, if Porto can win the Champions League and so on, then England can win the World Cup. There are of course teams like Argentina, Spain, Brazil, Holland, Germany and Italy with better players and/or incredible history in the WC, then there are England, Colombia, Uruguay, Belgium and Portugal + some other teams with a fighting chance to snatch it. But it takes a real leader to come from behind to do something spectacular like that, and Roy Hodgson is obviously not that man. This is a manager who fits well with Fulham and WBA, because that is his level. They don't expect much, the players aren't that good and the fans will likely treat you well even though you are 14th come Christmas. At Liverpool he was a bad fit from day 1 and he got sacked because he couldn't mold them into anything special. They didn't do better because of him and it's exactly the same with England. They will win a few games because they generally have very good players, but when it comes to the tactical side he will always lose against better managers and that will surely happen in Brazil next season. It's a pity, because England is my second team after Norway (and we never qualify). Sure you can say Fabio Capello didn't work out for England, but that doesn't mean the next top candidate will do the same. As for Roy, his fate is already sealed. My eyes hurt from reading that. He was given about 5 minutes at Liverpool. He has managed Inter Milan, in which he took them 3rd and the UEFA cup final.Why is Hodgson's fate is sealed? England fans should not expect much, why should we? Outside of 1966, our international succes is about the same level as Sweden. The FA wanted to go for a english manager after Capello stropped off. Hodgson was the ideal choice. The other alternative was arry redknapp who biggest job was at Tottenham Hotspur, in which he got them to the giddy hights of 4th. And got QPR and Southampton relegated. And helped to ruin Portsmouth financially before jumping ship. But because he has mates in the media, we all supposed to think him of some sort of mangerial genius, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 What in the world was the Jay Rodriguez call-up all about? I was bemused when I heard it and he didn't exactly change my mind, Also, Frank Lampard has never had any defensive qualities. Why play him in the position of a defensive midfielder? Baffles me. I'm no Frank Lampard hater but even in his youth, even in his prime, playing him as the deepest midfielder was going to expose him. Defensive midfield was so 10 years ago. Today it's deep-lying playmaker. Same position that Westwood plays. Gerrard has made the transition from his attacking midfield to deep-lying playmaker role very well. Lampard, not so good. Carrick - who was playing that role way before it became completely dominant tactically - would be first pick over Lampard. Lampard won't even make the World Cup squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 What in the world was the Jay Rodriguez call-up all about? I was bemused when I heard it and he didn't exactly change my mind, Also, Frank Lampard has never had any defensive qualities. Why play him in the position of a defensive midfielder? Baffles me. I'm no Frank Lampard hater but even in his youth, even in his prime, playing him as the deepest midfielder was going to expose him. Defensive midfield was so 10 years ago. Today it's deep-lying playmaker. Same position that Westwood plays. Gerrard has made the transition from his attacking midfield to deep-lying playmaker role very well. Lampard, not so good. Carrick - who was playing that role way before it became completely dominant tactically - would be first pick over Lampard. Lampard won't even make the World Cup squad. Err now do I say this...I agree Con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Hodgson is a decent manager and deserved a chance to manage england. The problem for roy is that you can't polish a turd. That is the problem though. You call him decent, which is almost the same as mediocre. If he was a club he would be the equivalent of Fulham or WBA, not even Everton or Tottenham. He has never done a great job anywhere important, he has managed 15+ clubs over his career and all he has won is a few trophies in Scandinavia. That was in the 70's and 80's! Oh, one league trophy from Denmark with Copenhagen in 2000/2001. Copenhagen are like Rosenborg, they have much more money than the rest and generally win every other season. Not that it matters of course, because they man is old school and he clearly failed when he was at Liverpool. Liverpool are much like England in a way, the team is not the best but the fans/media demand that they fight for every trophy. England have lots of match-winners and can objectively speaking win the World Cup next season. If Greece can win the EC, if Porto can win the Champions League and so on, then England can win the World Cup. There are of course teams like Argentina, Spain, Brazil, Holland, Germany and Italy with better players and/or incredible history in the WC, then there are England, Colombia, Uruguay, Belgium and Portugal + some other teams with a fighting chance to snatch it. But it takes a real leader to come from behind to do something spectacular like that, and Roy Hodgson is obviously not that man. This is a manager who fits well with Fulham and WBA, because that is his level. They don't expect much, the players aren't that good and the fans will likely treat you well even though you are 14th come Christmas. At Liverpool he was a bad fit from day 1 and he got sacked because he couldn't mold them into anything special. They didn't do better because of him and it's exactly the same with England. They will win a few games because they generally have very good players, but when it comes to the tactical side he will always lose against better managers and that will surely happen in Brazil next season. It's a pity, because England is my second team after Norway (and we never qualify). Sure you can say Fabio Capello didn't work out for England, but that doesn't mean the next top candidate will do the same. As for Roy, his fate is already sealed. My eyes hurt from reading that. He was given about 5 minutes at Liverpool. He has managed Inter Milan, in which he took them 3rd and the UEFA cup final.Why is Hodgson's fate is sealed? England fans should not expect much, why should we? Outside of 1966, our international succes is about the same level as Sweden. The FA wanted to go for a english manager after Capello stropped off. Hodgson was the ideal choice. The other alternative was arry redknapp who biggest job was at Tottenham Hotspur, in which he got them to the giddy hights of 4th. And got QPR and Southampton relegated. And helped to ruin Portsmouth financially before jumping ship. But because he has mates in the media, we all supposed to think him of some sort of mangerial genius, Lol you say that like Hodgson has won the Premier League or Serie A. Hodgson has never even managed in the Champions League while Rednapp has got to the quarter-finals which is the best ever performance by an English manager. Edited November 18, 2013 by TRS-T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hodgson is such an overrated dinosaur. The only reason we're stuck with him is because of that silly fixation with getting an English manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Hodgson has never even mananged in the Champions League while Rednapp has got to the quarter-finals which is the best ever performance by an English manager. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Barton_(footballer) Edited November 17, 2013 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hodgson has never even mananged in the Champions League while Rednapp has got to the quarter-finals which is the best ever performance by an English manager. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Barton_(footballer) Yes Tony Barton gets the credit but everybody knows it was Ron Saunders team. Talking of champions leagues there was a certain ex villa manager that did better than Harry. Irish though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Harry 4 England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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