dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Roger Federer Not far wrong for me. His dominance cannot be understated. Somebody wrote a few pages ago that if Tennis were as popular as football then you'd probably never have heard of Federer. Even if that wasn't complete shite, you could say that for every sport except football. In which case maybe football (a team sport may I add) needs to be removed from the conversation as an outlier. Which still leaves me at Federer. All knelt before his brilliance. A bit like Messi, only he did it all on his jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Ali has to go down as the greatest heavy weight but Rocky Marciano cant be discounted as he was undefeated as heavy weight champion. Looking at greatest ever cricketers iI'd go with Gary Sobers. I think Marciano would be at the bottom end of a top 10 list, the best names on his record (Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Joe Lewis) were well past their best when he beat them. I think the best heavyweight of all time is a toss up between Ali and Joe Louis. With massive shouts out to Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson. Jack Johnson of course being the first black heavyweight champion. A real pathbreaker fighting a lot of his career at a time where black people could not fight for the world heavy weight title but rather the world 'coloured' heavyweight title. He fought Jim Jefferies in the 'fight of the century' scheduled for 45 rounds and managed to win via a KO somewhat earlier than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Lists vary. I just googled it and two of them had him at no.1. I think Rocky is a very under-rated fighter. The fact he never lost a fight and is the only heavyweight to do that puts him right up there. There was a computererised fight between him and Ali and he came out the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) . There was a computererised fight between him and Ali and he came out the winner. There is a good article about that on (I think) The Guardian. I'll see if I can fish it out. The computer was bollocks by the way. The forgotten story of … the Rocky Marciano v Muhammad Ali Super Fight | Sean Inglehttp://gu.com/p/3bnt4 Edited November 17, 2013 by The_Rev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Great article thanks. The NCR 315. It was designed over 50 years ago 5k of memory expandable to 40k in 4 refrigerator size cabinets, wow. Edited November 17, 2013 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I wouldn't claim to be able to distinguish technical ability in tennis but is Federer better than Sampras was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Lists vary. I just googled it and two of them had him at no.1. I think Rocky is a very under-rated fighter. The fact he never lost a fight and is the only heavyweight to do that puts him right up there. There was a computererised fight between him and Ali and he came out the winner. LOL Marciano was a vert small heavyweight a prime Ali would have killed him off of his jab alone, Marciano wouldn't get near him for the entire fight. That said arguing that a boxer is better based on the idea that someone from one era would beat someone from another is silly. On that basis the Klitschko's would be top 5 of all time, when they aren't. Edited November 17, 2013 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 In terms of slams Federer has won more and Sampras never won the French. If both players were at their peak at the same time dunno. Nadal has had the better of Federer and Sampras wouldn't have stood a chance against him on clay. Djokovic although he hasn't won anywhere near the amount of slams has largely had the better of everyone since 2011 although he has lost some big slam finals and semi's in the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Lists vary. I just googled it and two of them had him at no.1. I think Rocky is a very under-rated fighter. The fact he never lost a fight and is the only heavyweight to do that puts him right up there. There was a computererised fight between him and Ali and he came out the winner. LOL Marciano was a vert small heavyweight a prime Ali would have killed him off of his jab alone, Marciano wouldn't get near him for the entire fight. That said arguing that a boxer is better based on the idea that someone from one era would beat someone from another is silly. On that basis the Klitschko's would be top 5 of all time, when they aren't. Yes he was small and light for a heavyweight but 49-0 fight record and 43 knockouts. Fraser was a poor man's Rocky and he beat Ali in their first fight and was definately his toughest apponent Edited November 17, 2013 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Sampras was so dull. Good eyebrows though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Sampras was so dull. Good eyebrows though. Just contradicted yourself there. Eyebrows maketh the man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted November 17, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2013 Just ask Roger Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Lists vary. I just googled it and two of them had him at no.1. I think Rocky is a very under-rated fighter. The fact he never lost a fight and is the only heavyweight to do that puts him right up there. There was a computererised fight between him and Ali and he came out the winner. Lol this post literally made me spit my tea out. Being undefeated dont mean nothing, if that was the case then joe calzaghe would be the greatest also. Like someone said rocky only fought guys at the end of their careers or ones that were handpicked. He is well overrated defo not underrated thats for sure. Joe louis was the greatest fighter of all time. In my life time my personal favourites based on achievements and skills were prime roy jones jnr and manny pacquiao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted November 18, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I was hoping somebody would link that. Shame it gets cut before white Eddie Murphy mentions Marciano though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted November 18, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2013 And the Joe Louis (I think it was Joe Louis, it's been years since I saw Coming to America) was one-hundred years old bit, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 It's the same scene I think because white Eddie Murphy tells barber Eddie Murphy that Marciano beat Joe Louis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Lists vary. I just googled it and two of them had him at no.1. I think Rocky is a very under-rated fighter. The fact he never lost a fight and is the only heavyweight to do that puts him right up there. There was a computererised fight between him and Ali and he came out the winner. Lol this post literally made me spit my tea out. Being undefeated dont mean nothing, if that was the case then joe calzaghe would be the greatest also. Like someone said rocky only fought guys at the end of their careers or ones that were handpicked. He is well overrated defo not underrated thats for sure. Joe louis was the greatest fighter of all time. In my life time my personal favourites based on achievements and skills were prime roy jones jnr and manny pacquiao You can't say being undefeated means nothing. Of course its something. I'm not saying Joe Louis wasn't the greatest but I think its wrong to dismiss Rocky's achievements like you have done. Were either of us around when he fought? . No but I remember talking to a number of people who were around during this period and I was trying to make a case for Ali being the greatest and they convinced me about Rocky. He was as hard as they come. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaw2QFC1Qg says he doesn't know whether he would have beaten him and that he would have been tougher than Joe Frazier. Edited November 18, 2013 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 William Perry, he of Tipton slasher fame, and not he of The Fridge fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaguy Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 MJ Took to page 6 for him to get a mention, wow, he's number one for me. How anyone can compare Michael Jordan to Ronnie O'Sullivan is beyond me. Messi is up there no doubt, but it's so hard to compare sports, you'd have to say the more popular sports should hold a heavier weighting due to the the greater number of opponents and direct competition. Jordan takes it for me though, to win 3 championships in a row, take a season and a bit out to play minor league baseball and come back and win another 3 in a row that's some going. Faced a lot of great nba players too and beat them all and has about $700m to show for it. sorry but why can't they be compared, yet you then try to compare a footballer with a basketball player? As you say it's hard to compare sports but make no reason that suggests why o'sullivan isn't in the same category as another top sportsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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