darrenm Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) And that stigma you talk of is far more prevalent in BMW drivers or mercedes drivers (but especially BMW), imo obviously.That's out of date unfortunately. BMW drivers are almost accepted as average and considerate now compared to Audi drivers.edit: dodgy quoting shows I'm quoting BOF but it's actually Stevo. Edited September 21, 2015 by darrenm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2015 My point was it's all relative.I think you're wrong. But someone else would say the same thing about Range Rover drivers, or Subaru drivers, or whatever.That stigma gets passed around every make of car out there (within reason) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Audi don't do it for me either just because they are so popular. I'd always go for something slightly different, some might say I'm being biased but I'd take an XF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2015 I'd always go for something slightly different, some might say I'm being biased but I'd take an XFI would too.If Jag made anything in my price range I'd buy it.But unfortunately the only people working at JLR who can afford a product are those that get them on the management scheme anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2015 Drove a fairly new (63) 2.0 VW Diesel Passat Estate for the weekend. On the return leg of about 150 miles is averaged over 62 mpgVery impressed with it once I'd got used to the Auto start and hand brake button etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2015 My point was it's all relative. I think you're wrong. But someone else would say the same thing about Range Rover drivers, or Subaru drivers, or whatever. That stigma gets passed around every make of car out there (within reason) Subaru drivers generally are cocks though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanVillan Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 08 Infiniti G37 S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2015 The high end Audis are nice. A7, S5, R8. Lovely cars, but they're niche. The mass produced stuff competing in the high volume market is stylistically unimaginative and relies on the badge and status IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Audi don't do it for me either just because they are so popular. I'd always go for something slightly different, some might say I'm being biased but I'd take an XFI had an XF and I really liked it was and is a good car but honestly it' doesn't come close to my A5 , the A5 handles better and is a much more fun to drive , but I did have one of the first XF's so maybe it's made some more improvements in that time that at said im looking at the F-Pace as my next potential car ... And seriously tempted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 My point was it's all relative.I think you're wrong. But someone else would say the same thing about Range Rover drivers, or Subaru drivers, or whatever.That stigma gets passed around every make of car out there (within reason)only car drivers I really have issue with are Nissan Micra drivers ... They always drive 10 mph below the speed limit and always drive with eyes fixed forward and no spacial awareness of the road around them and the traffic jam they are cuasing behind them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 you know in advance that the driver of the Micra, doing 25 mph, is going to see that 30 mph speed camera at the very last minute and perform almost an emergency stopevery**** timeit is one of the few car stereotypes that is bang on true 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2015 The Micra does provide a service though. If it didn't exist, those people would be spread across all other models. The Micra lets you know there's a shite driver ahead 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Mrs E's A1 has gone to live with Audi for a few weeks whilst they re-cut the ignition barrel so we're in the middle of courtesy car fun. So far we've had an S3 Cabriolet which was lovely but hugely impractical, we've got the directors A4 Allroad now and its AMAZING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 It'll be interesting with VW to see if they are allowed to fail. The share price is down by over a third and they've confessed that test cheating software has been installed in millions of cars worldwide. Not an error or a design fault or something poorly designed, something deliberately installed to cheat the emissions tests that are supposed to protect or their customers and the public.The USA are talking about $24,000 dollar fines for every one of the 480,000 cars sold by deception. France, Italy and the UK now calling for a full EU investigation. So the company is potentially looking at billions of dollars of fines, a change of leadership, a totally different share position and a much reduced image with the car buying public. I'd have thought that the German government can't allow a company the size of VW Audi to fail or get bought by China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2015 I seriously don't think the car buying public will give a shit. Sure they'll get fined, share price will drop as a result but once the fines are factored in…. back with a bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I seriously don't think the car buying public will give a shit. Sure they'll get fined, share price will drop as a result but once the fines are factored in…. back with a bangthey might if it results in their road tax or company car tax rate changing as a result of the higher emissions ... But other than that I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 It won't make any difference agreed. Car manufacturers have a habit of coming out of these things smelling of roses, Toyota are a good example of that, Mitsubishi tooAnd nobody seems to have taken a blind bit of notice of the Audi crash test scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 What happened with Toyota? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Sticking accelerators, steering problems, brake probs too I think. They were the world recall champs by a country mile for a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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