maqroll Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I think there's an important key in here - the World Cup isn't COP28 or a scout jamboree, it's not a 'world event' in the sense that it belongs to people across the globe in some sort of all hold hands way - it's a commercial object run for profit by a market based company in a Western market based society, with Western market values and ideals - it's very much an absolute product of the homogenised structure of Western capitalism - it's values are the values of McDonalds, Sony, Barclays and Budweiser - it's not by any means a product of globalised culture. That it invites nations from all countries to compete is down to its desire to penetrate those markets, not of some desire to embrace the multiplicity of global culture. If you invite it into your country, you accept it's values - in this case I guess personified by the idea that money counts and nothing else does (we could have the next World Cup in Elon Musk's garden if the money is right) - but also you need to accept how Western capitalism's values work - and that should mean that women, gay people, alcoholics, people of all religions and ethnicities and anyone else that might have a pound to spend are included and made to feel welcome enough to spend money. If those aren't your values, if you place anything above global commercialisation and the corporate superstructure, then no, you shouldn't be eligible to hold a world cup. Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, maqroll said: Sad to see spectators wearing Native American ceremonial headdress. People out there are still really ignorant. That, and Crusader outfits. Yet the ones criticising and boycotting are the real racists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 Another thing you see considerably more is non Arabs wearing white robes and a kaffiyeh in their own country's colors. I wonder if the hosts feel insulted at all seeing this? My hunch is they don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, maqroll said: Another thing you see considerably more is non Arabs wearing white robes and a kaffiyeh in their own country's colors. I wonder if the hosts feel insulted at all seeing this? My hunch is they don't. I mean the robes probably serve a practical function in being cool to wear in the desert I'd have thought? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Are the lack of drinks breaks helping the African and arabian sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Just now, Pissflaps said: Are the lack of drinks breaks helping the African and arabian sides? Why? Don't know about humidity but it's not particularly hot The "bigger" European nations should also have conditioning coaches for that too, don't see it as an excuse Mentality and who actually wants to be there is maybe more interesting, KDB in particular looks like he'd rather be anywhere else, he doesn't want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Why? Don't know about humidity but it's not particularly hot The "bigger" European nations should also have conditioning coaches for that too, don't see it as an excuse Mentality and who actually wants to be there is maybe more interesting, KDB in particular looks like he'd rather be anywhere else, he doesn't want it He's been one of the most vocal against the absurd scheduling for top players during the last 2-3 years as far as I've seen. He certainly has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted November 27, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Why? Don't know about humidity but it's not particularly hot Japan Costa Rica was 31 today. Certainly toasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 @omariqy are you in the country? Myself and a few of the other visiting Villa boys are trying to organise a social. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 What an achievement, they managed to not have even 1 single empty seat in the entire stadium for the Argentina versus Mexico game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Rino8 said: Japan Costa Rica was 31 today. Certainly toasty Not in the stadiums, they are all air conditioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, Genie said: What an achievement, they managed to not have even 1 single empty seat in the entire stadium for the Argentina versus Mexico game. Bit disappointing, I was expecting about 10.000 more in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 27, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, Genie said: What an achievement, they managed to not have even 1 single empty seat in the entire stadium for the Argentina versus Mexico game. Even more impressive when you consider that the capacity was only 80,000 a week ago - it was officially raised to it's current total after the first game of the tournament. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Even more impressive when you consider that the capacity was only 80,000 a week ago - it was officially raised to it's current total after the first game of the tournament. Yes, also very impressive as the 100% legit attendance is the largest attendance since 1994 in the USA. Its all fallen into place perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, sne said: Bit disappointing, I was expecting about 10.000 more in attendance. The stadium did only hold 80,000 until they decided to revise the figures a few days ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, Genie said: The stadium did only hold 80,000 until they decided to revise the figures a few days ago. Yeah I noticed that when I looked at the numbers. Amazing what you can achieve when you count the tickets sold, press, players, staff and everyone withing a 10 mile radius on Tinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I imagine there's more corporate than actual fans out there. Seems everyone in the media known and unknown has travelled, even Agbonlahor is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, sne said: Yeah I noticed that when I looked at the numbers. Amazing what you can achieve when you count the tickets sold, press, players, staff and everyone withing a 10 mile radius on Tinder. My theory is that fairly recently they decided they wanted to break some attendance records so inflated the capacity of all the stadia. Many of the people who go bugger off at half time so aren’t proper fans (or drink in town). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 27, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: It’s two separate points. Russia is a genuinely terrible place, Qatar is merely a bad one. You’re free to complain about both, but classing them as equally bad is ill informed and / or racist. I mean this argument is going around around in circles but all I can say is I think this is completely wrong, and the conclusion you're reaching makes me think you are not really trying to understand other peoples point of view and are just being rude for the sake of it. A day or two ago you started off by saying you read an article that had led you to these conclusions. Can you post it? Perhaps it's more nuanced than you are coming across. Apologies if you did post it and I missed it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I mean this argument is going around around in circles but all I can say is I think this is completely wrong, and the conclusion you're reaching makes me think you are not really trying to understand other peoples point of view and are just being rude for the sake of it. A day or two ago you started off by saying you read an article that had led you to these conclusions. Can you post it? Perhaps it's more nuanced than you are coming across. Apologies if you did post it and I missed it. Maybe it was that press conference by Infantino? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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