david-avfc

17 hours ago, Jas10 said:

I love FBref stats and the insight they provide, but sometimes it’s the basic stuff which provides the most insight. Last season he made 29 appearances in the league, but only 13 of them were starts. So clearly there’s a mismatch between these stats and the actual impact he has on the first team.

My assumption would be that coming off the bench regularly leads to some distortions of the per 90 data. Hypothetical example 1 dribble in a 10 minute cameo against a tired defence = 9 dribbles per 90 which is the best in Europe, and in reality is completely different to a player who completes 9 successful dribbles in one game.

Not saying he’s a bad player or anything, obviously he’s got a lot of talent but extra context is needed for the stats and in this case it’s probably over exaggerated some of his positive attributes.

6 minutes ago, Jas10 said:

Oh… had no idea…

Thought he was one of the more reasonable accounts… maybe he’s mended his ways?

Seems better than Total Villa for instance…

Most of them are as bad as each other tbh

2 minutes ago, Jas10 said:

 

Prefer him to Diaby?

Yeah, very impressive:

 

Yet he only started 13 times 

I only know a little about him, very rapid, good dribbler and high potential… but is he the finished article? Judging by 17 league starts in 2 years probably not, unless he’s just reached the tipping point very recently 

Would assume Diaby is more of a solid bet as he’s been a proper first choice player for Leverkusen for 3 seasons now. With the inconsistencies of Bailey, Coutinho, Buendia, Traore I’d rather go with Diaby 

5 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

I don’t quite know what has to be said for you lot to realise that the account you’re referencing is not ‘ITK’. Like, this is primary school stuff. 

Nah it’s clearly legitimate, he’s gone through the effort of setting up an anonymous twitter account and has even gone on to google images to get a generic picture of a famous footballer/manager for his profile picture, that’s the hallmark of credibility right there

8 minutes ago, lexicon said:

 

I don't think you remember what poor looks like 

 

Yeah he was so good at Atletico the manager didn’t want him and then sent him away on loan, where he was so good Chelsea didn’t want to keep him when his loan expired 

I’m sceptical of Felix, he was poor at Atletico and poor at Chelsea. We would just be signing him off of his reputation which is always a recipe for disaster, especially when he would be a mega earner and would probably cost a lot as Atletico need to recoup some of their wasted costs on him. He also fell out with his manager which is hardly a good sign of a player with the right attitude 

Maybe it is genuinely a case of “not fitting the system properly” and Emery can get him firing again in our system. But usually players who can never fit into a system eventually the penny drops that it’s a problem with the player not the system (which incidentally has been very successful for Atletico)

3 hours ago, alreadyexists said:

It’s funny how big money moves can completely stifle a young player’s development. I suppose it’s the weight of pressure and/or the lack of ‘drive’ because they’re set for life no matter what. 
Not saying Sancho is done or anything but his price tag and wages will discourage most from going for him, because the outlay doesn’t match the probable outcome.

Actually thought Sancho was really underwhelming whenever he played for England even before his move

I don’t think we’re interested nor do I think he’s available either 

2 minutes ago, Ouchmefoot said:

yeah Kadan Young is looking really good

Only 17 years old, looks like he could be a real prospect. Would be great if he could be given some cameos off the bench this season especially in the cups

Bogarde looks like an interesting player, for a natural centre back he looks incredibly comfortable on the ball

Just now, IrishVilla10 said:

I’ve been annoyed at the lack of play down the right I’m not sure what else he can do

He just won a penalty. I think he’s looked better than Aaron Ramsey on the other side. His problem though is he seems like a winger who wants to hug the touchline, not sure that’s what Emery wants 

16 hours ago, nepal_villan said:

Very few were complaining when we signed the two players.  Actually, most fans were quite giddy.

This is why you need proper scouts and analysts to cut through the hype and reputations of these players and just see the players for what they actually are. The bizarre thing is we apparently had it with Lange and the gang but then decided to start signing players on reputation at the whim of billy big bollocks Gerrard who wanted to take over recruitment despite barely knowing his arse from his elbow

18 hours ago, rodders0223 said:

Back to Everton or France on loan , I'd say we will do well to get £60k wages and maybe a £2m loan fee.

It is £5m saved this season which is something.

But to save £5m we’d then have to buy another left back and pay them PL wages which overall costs a lot more than £5m, and we’re still stuck with the same problem a year down the line.

Think it’s a case of sell him or utilise him. Hopefully a PL club makes the same mistake as us and buys him off of his reputation without any closer inspection.

7 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Hold on.. is that the James Bree which was once here as well?

The sold him to Southampton when the man Welsh man took over and then lost every game 

23 minutes ago, supermon said:

Just saw this, this is our Moussa Diaby right?

 

Rubbish, look at all those players faster than him. Why isn’t he top? Monchi out.

2 hours ago, KMitch said:

Buckethead*  FTFY...

Ooh a totally obscure reference which I actually got! Very exciting 

52 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

the problem with Davis, is even if we would accept 1m for him, he's on 40k+ p/w here, so is he really going to take a huge pay drop for a permanent mooe to a Champ team!?

I dunno, i dont see it, i can see him going out on loan again until his contract expires next summer.

Kudos to him tho if he does choose to drop wages and go, but i doubt he will, and tbh, i wouldnt blame him, why take a 50-70% pay cut when you can go on loan again on your current wages, then move for free in the summer and maybe get a better deal next year on a free.

You make it sound like no player has ever moved from the premier league to the championship. Davis isn’t good enough at Villa so he needs to move, if wages are an issue we’d presumably be happy to pay him a few hundred thousand to push him out the door. Championship players still earn millions of pounds a year so it’s not like he’s moving from a high end PL contract to minimum wage at Sainsbury’s (despite what some might say is his level). With his injury record if he has a contract offer for 3 or 4 years he’d be stupid to not jump at the chance.

How much can we realistically demand for a striker who got just 7 goals in the championship last season and has such a terrible injury record? A few mil at best

58 minutes ago, Woody1000 said:

So true…

FFS I was gripped then, what happens next??

2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Misha's insight on Diaby:

" If we do sign Diaby and our system remains the same then he's more likely imo to be a second striker...he's more of a forward than a touchline winger...

So if one looks at his heatmap it further illustrates that...he doesn't provide width...he drifts in centrally...width in that Leverkusen side is provided by Frimpong...

So if we do land him there's still a strong possibility we remain in the market for a right winger imo...

Alternatively if we go the 4-3-3 route where we use two inside forwards then needs are different...we may target an attacking right back rather than right winger...one that overlaps... "

We’ve been linked with Diaby, Williams and Barnes, similar players in terms of being quick and direct, but we’ve also been linked to Goncalves and Asensio who are clearly more creative playmaker style of players.

I don’t think Emery is the type of manager who would attempt to sign players without really understanding how they’d fit into his system so the fact we’ve been linked with players with such differing profiles kind of suggests we’re maybe in the market for both types and two wide players will be coming in, either to play together or to provide different tactical options.

Now it’s finally been confirmed we’ll have to find something else to complain about - any suggestions?

1 hour ago, Hughes said:

Not sure if everyone realizes that we could play up to 60-ish games this season, we need a real big and good squad and although not his biggest fan, surely having Traore as a squad player is a pretty good option. Cannot imagine he is on insane money and, as mentioned by others, he has some unbelievable abilities. We need a big squad, folks!  

The problem is the squad sizes are limited, in the PL it’s 25 players which is fine and what we’re used to, but in Europe it’s effectively 21 standard players + 4 club homegrown players. So in practice we’ll end up with more games, but a smaller squad! There has to be some tough decisions who stays and who is sold, I think Traore is firmly in the latter category as he’s currently 3rd choice in his preferred position of right wing and we’re presumably looking to improve that area further

4 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

Yeah I agree. That Haaland lad is shit. Glad we stayed well clear of that donkey. 

To be fair he probably would have looked like a donkey if we’d signed him to play for Steven Gerrard

23 hours ago, CarryOnVilla said:

Oh wow, I’ve never seen the first 3 versions on the badge… most common versions of early badges are from this image 

I’ve seen that image from Google search before but is it actually correct though? The “1970’s” one (before my time!) I thought was from the 90’s, unless it was used by the club much earlier and then resurrected later on? Surely someone on here would know that for sure? A Google search for Aston Villa kit 1970 shows we had a completely different badge on the kits at that time (the blue lion in isolation with AV), so if that one’s wrong then I don’t think this picture can be trusted with the two really early ones 

1 hour ago, tomav84 said:

can you pay per game or do you have to sign up for the season? if the former, i guess they'll see how the per game sales go and then have a conversation if it turns out to be a total failure

in the example you gave, i imagine any blocks of 4 would be in either K1 or K7 so there's going to be a few unhappy people sitting in the wings who paid a premium price

definitely needs to be some investigation at whose baby this was. ibbetson? purslow? NWSE? it's something that was (IMO) never going to catch on and that ridiculous survey really didn't convey clearly enough what we were signing up for...because if people had known this is what it would be, it would've been a pretty unanimous "no thanks"

It was so obvious what they were aiming for with the survey to be honest. Yes it was deliberately biased and designed in a leading way, that was poor from the club, but it’s pretty naive to not have realised all the questions implying new premium areas in the holte end were going to lead to expensive corporate / private style areas in the holte