Really upset me this had, just read about that 16/17 lad in Ireland who got stabbed to death for not handing over his £2 bus fare and was stabbed repeatedly after having a bottle smashed in his face despite onlookers trying to shield his body. The fact he looks the spit of my eldest probably made it hit home even harder, it makes you think of things as a parent that you try not to. I have always been strongly against capital punishment but reading things like this I wonder should there more a deterrent for such abhorrent crimes? Sorry if this has been debated before, I have had a good look and can not see any threads but thought it would be an interesting discussion