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If we win next week everybody on here is chanting his name 

43 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

Everyone wants Gerrard to do well. If he does well, Villa does well. But the fact is so far it's been all been below average at best. At what point are we allowed to discuss that? When you decide so? 

Of course not. I just feel the reactions to the last two games have been way over the top and not warranted. Gerrard is under pressure, which he has acknowledged and accepts. The last two games we have stood up to that pressure and delivered, 4 points is a healthy return. We fought back against a very good City team too, a performance which people are now brushing under the carpet. 

What am I reading in this thread?  The players were so scared to play City so they were motivated not to lose   Surely it can't be that easy? Nothing to do with Gerrard changing his set up and motivating the players, yet we came from behind against City and we were robbed of an opportunity to win the game too. I think we have been "okay" since Arsenal, not brilliant or dreadful. The shape, intensity and aggression has all been good. Gerrard cares about this job just as much as Smith did. It would be foolish to think that the majority of managers do not have egos.

Gerrard hasn't lost the dressing room and the players are clearly behind him hence the recently improved performances and results. Not to say he hasn't made mistakes, and I agree the football is a bit iffy at the moment - but it is hardly the end of the world is it? The mentality needs sorting before the style of football imo. I like to believe Gerrard has realised this and is trying to create a foundation to play better football.

If Gerrard is sacked, the same problems will persist imo. There are no quick fixes, only expensive wall paper. I will happily take another 31 1-0s .

Get behind him and stop whinging 

43 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said:

Does anybody really thinks Gerrard 'cares' about Villa?

Yes. 

Gerrard has had a close look at himself and taken criticism on board. I believe he is desperate to do well here - his reaction at the end of Southampton shows that. And it is clear that he has tried to run before he could walk. We have improved over the last two games, we have a foundation moving forward now. Sacking him now will make no sense, we are heading in the right direction imo.

We haven't been good enough this season, certainly not what I or others had hoped for. BUT hopefully the performance and result yesterday will act as a springboard. We have comeback against two very good teams now - that spirit encourages me. Gerrard isn't hiding to be fair, he is taking the criticism on the chin and is trying to move forward. UTV.

Gerrard has to take the majority of responsibility for our woeful start but the players are letting the club down too. I don't think the squad is as good as some think. They don't look arsed or bothered too.

11 minutes ago, paul514 said:

This is correct and who knows if/when the crazy money they have put into us stops

One of Lerner's mistakes was stopping investment in the playing side, especially when the TV deals were growing. Randy = .

3 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Our problem is the barrier of FFP.  The European clubs are generating far more revenue than we are, the London clubs can generate bigger revenues so our model to compete with those clubs is investment from NSWE but that is limited by FFP and while we have headroom at the moment it's going to become an issue as we keep buying better players with fees and huge salaries unless we can get into Europe to increase the revenue side of the business and all that money it attracts.  

Fair comments. I agree. However, I think the club are attempting to grow us alongside our progress, stronger academy, stadium development and MLS franchise etc. I think they have planned a lot of this out regarding FFP, and will know what it takes to be a consistent top 6/4 side from a financial side. I trust them to deliver. They won't settle on failure imo.

3 minutes ago, VillanousOne said:

Despite all their hot air, postering and bluster Spurs never win anything even if their fans have always thought they were Real Madrid, we used to be comfortably on the same level as them for years but the levels of incompetence and mismanagement since Randy lost interest has put us back decades. Everyone knew once they had a quality manager like Conte they would start to climb the table again, but with all that comes expectation and pressure and if they don't win something next season then it will all crash down again, as it has many times with them and their high profile managers. 

I don't think we can spend our way back to that level but buying proven quality seems a way to put us in the mix or close, we need a long term sustainable model which it is clear we are also trying to rejuvenate our youth systems.

NSWE have proven they will invest to move us forward, they will again if needs be.

17 minutes ago, useless said:

Spurs didn't finish in the top six in the Premier League era until 2006, that's more than ten years after the Premier League had formed, in the same period, 1992 to 2006, we had finished in the top six, six times, that's before you even get to the O'Neill era. I think sometimes people forget, that at one time it was quite normal for us to be in and around the top six, it's only been the last ten years that have changed the perception.

 Lerner! 

39 minutes ago, thunderball said:

Sorry but I don’t ever remember being miles ahead of Tottenham, but I do remember briefly fighting over the same sort of place in the league during the MON era for a very short period, but we were very much behind them but at that time perhaps in the next tier below the big 3. But the London factor helped massively then, and very astute management. They have kicked on since then and we had fallen like a stone thanks to Lerner pulling the rug from under things. Small decisions but it could have been so different a real sliding doors moment.

Don’t forget we were getting Ginola after they had spat him out, they had Defoe, Keane and Bent, and van der Vaart when were dreaming about Defoe and Schneider when we ended up with Heskey and Reo-Coker. Not to mention Bale, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen, Walker even Townsend and Lennon, and further back Kilinsman, Sheringham, Lineker and Gazza. For me they have had at least 30 years in the ascendency over us.

On a positive note, despite the Bentacur and Bissouma issue, we are very much on their coat tails and if we get a toe hold on Europe o think we will very much be fighting the same place in the league.

I have never really bought into that - especially as London is over saturated with teams in the Premier League. I agree with you that they have been well managed over the last twenty years, while we have been badly managed on the whole.

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

It’s really disappointing to know that if Gerrard fails this thread will be full of smugness and I told you so’s. 

It is equally going to be frustrating for those banking on Gerrard to fail, it will be a hard pill to swallow if SG does well.

I think he is going to do well, I expect us to progress next season.

Good goal. He has been very good further up, in and around the penalty area especially. That being said, I think he has been quite sloppy deeper in the midfield. I think Tim has been the stand out for England, intercepting and tackling very well. However, I do think Tim & Carney are above u19 football in all honesty.

Wrong thread. Tim has played well though.

8 hours ago, Zatman said:

You do know this club director has little say on the transfers at Sevilla, he is just a random director on the board 

Unless you speak Spanish and watched the interview how can you say he was not calm and clear like Purslow if you just read his quotes. Purslow quotes with little context sound similar 

It could be a poor translation, I accept that but I do not accept what was said on that version. Comparing the Grealish deal to the Carlos deal is foolish, it has no similarities. The Grealish deal was a mega deal, this is relatively low key and it is dripping with bitterness. The Grealish deal warranted an explanation.  What the Sevilla director said, in that translated interview, was poor imo. Smacks of a guy desperate for media attention, especially to justify himself to his own supporters after he botched the Newcastle deal in January. It reeks of PR defensive before other stars are sold imo.

12 hours ago, Don_Simon said:

Okay, here we go...

On what planet is the CEO of Seville remotely bothered about Aston Villa? It's absurd. They consistently win European Competitions. We, I think, do not.

Further, "no Jose, you're about the dollar". The article you've read literally states they turned down selling Diego Carlos to Newcastle in January, (which I'm assuming would be for more than we paid due to the Saudi Tax), because they couldn't find a replacement. The polar opposite of "all about the money".

Seville are one of the best run clubs on the planet. The CEO has zero reason to "fear" his supporters. They either already have a replacement for Carlos, who they'll sell for X amount more than they paid for him in X amount of years, or they'll buy one this summer and do the same.

La Liga has a fairer distribution of money than the Premier League I believe. One of the reasons why Barca have struggled financially so much and Real / Barca pushed so vocally for the ESL.

Finally, "show some decorum and class". Like Villa fans do you mean when players leave? What were your thoughts on Purslow's post Jack leaving video? I loved it. Transparent communication as to why the transfer happened, is that really any different to what the Seville CEO has done? Our own fans acknowledge the only reason these players are joining Villa is for money and Gerrard. 

What sycophantic dribble!  How much is Jose paying you to post that? 

Firstly, I have never said he cared about Villa - he shows a clear lack of understanding of Aston Villa. It is very likely he has contempt for our club, let's be honest - contempt for little old Aston Villa (who finished 14th) signing one of his stars. I read and interpreted his interview in a way that was contemptful towards Carlos and Villa, rightly or wrongly. I respect people have different views, but I felt it wasn't needed by him and was in poor taste. 

Further to your points. There is speculation that Jose messed up a better financial deal for Sevilla in January by asking for more money (for DC) than originally agreed, apparently Newcastle walked away and told him to get lost. Could it be the case of being too greedy? That is just speculation of course, but that doesn't speak volumes of his business acumen tbh. If true, I am sure he regrets that. Certainly doesn't tally with your view of Sevilla.

However, I honestly do not care about Sevilla. If they have been successful on the pitch then fair play. We have just acquired a decent chunk of their recent success by signing Diego Carlos. Surely means we are going to improve? That is all I care about. Oh just remembered, we can't have aspirations - we finished 14th last season. Never mind. Close the club. 

I have already commented on the Purslow similarity. It is nonsense. Total nonsense. I think Purslow was classy and clear in his reaction to Grealish leaving, which was a far more emotional and complex situation than us signing Carlos from them. I really don't understand why you are comparing a club executive to supporters? That is strange. Comparing the views of one person to those of 63k (and more) is a grossly unfair generalisation . Besides a key club executive has a far greater responsibility than you or I, furthermore has far greater access to information than me or you. That is a very weird comparison, it seems a tad bitter imo.

Decent August on paper. It will be tougher in reality but I am confident we can start well this time.

14 hours ago, Don_Simon said:

This is a really **** weird take.

Not really. 

20 minutes ago, Zatman said:

While thats true you can still understand why a director of a team that consistently qualify for Europe would be miffed to lose a player, any team can float a project but you have to back it up on the pitch

Its just a comment for the fans, its like some people getting angry that Targett made a throwaway comment about the Newcastle dressing room.

A lot of sensitive people who are looking to get angry at opposition clubs, way too much Leeds influence on here in recent seasons   

It isn't sensitivity. I just believe some people have pride and hope in the Villa, which rightly or wrongly makes them more protective of the club. Calling out crap that is unfair about the club or/and players is right imo. Being bullish about Villa's prospects and hopes is healthy too. I just wish a few more could have a bit more pride in the club at times. Get behind the bloody club!

Furthermore, I don't agree with this Sevilla guy - I think he treats Diego Carlos like a piece of meat in that article ("players like this who are 28, 29") and is tarnishing DC legacy to save his own bacon. Cowardly. Honestly, he can say what he likes about Villa - he has no say over our fortunes. Just a noisy man from Spain, bankrupt of class and dignity.

24 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Who is more likely for europe us or them? If you say us your lying

 Jose Maria Cruz de Andres has no idea what Villa will achieve with Carlos and co, it is not for him to discuss Villa or make reference to Villa's sporting project. 

2 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Is more chance of Sevilla qualifying for Champions League next season than us

What has that got to do with Villa?  Qualifying for the Champions League or not, they will only be as good as Madrid & Barcelona want them to be. God I hope they do qualify, I could imagine him going off on us in twelve months for signing his star CB for peanuts. 

1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

Its sour grapes i agree but i cant disagree its not like he is wrong. We had a poor seasin last year

And? He cannot predict the future.

1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

Think he is speaking the truth.  We finished 14th last year

It isn't about his opinion on Villa, he is nothing to do with us and has no say in our future. It is his disregard for a player who has been a success for him, it is wrong.