A'Villan

If one lung ever said to another lung, "we be-lung together"?

If becoming vegetarian is one big missed steak?

7 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Hardly any interest in our players still. Do we over rate them as fans, and does our board over rate them in terms of transfer fees maybe. ? 

I am amazed that no one has come in for Guilbert Sanson and Traore yet. Not worldbeaters but still good players.

All more valuable to us as squad players than handing them over to competition and rivals for a fee that might give us some funds but is outweighed by the value added in playing personnel to those rivals, and taken away from our squad depth.

You play how you practice and training players are equally as important as starters. I would know, first two seasons of my semi pro career I was a training player. You're only as good as the weakest link.

Dougie has that Brazilian flair and genius in him. No doubt about that, even if we were to say he's defensively capable and inclined.

Pirlo and Dougie comparisons though, I'm not about that. 

Talent hits the target no one else can hit. Genius hits the target no one else can see. Pirlo was that kind of genius.

Dougie has ideas and a fairly decent ability to deliver which will develop as he goes.

No Pirlo though as is.

4 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Aaargh!!!

Without a full pre-season I reckon I could take him in a foot race over twenty yards.

No.

Just no.

 

He doesn't need to run more than 20-30 yards for each attacking phase of play we have though. During that phase one's ability to read the play, be in position and to execute are probably all more important than pure pace and ability to cover the distance quickly. Suarez is still a very good player.

I'm not advocating we get him, I'd probably rather we didn't. However there's still a very decent if not great striker in him.

On 07/07/2022 at 07:31, MWARLEY2 said:

I am hoping we can see some of the pace we saw in his highlight reels.  He was genuinely a Bundesliga superstar . If we can get him playing with full confidence that his body will back him up then he is really going to be like a new signing. And a really good one at that 

Absolutely. This is it.

Well said!

3 hours ago, magnkarl said:

America is dying a slow death unless it's going to do something about all these white old men thinking they can decide what is good for what used to be the country everyone looked to. It's becoming increasingly clear that Europe is going to be the next torch bearer for rights, democracy and peace in the world. It's a shame we had our own Trump style idiocy with Brexit, or else we could actually help shape the decisions of the next 100 years. The Nordics, Baltics and parts of Eastern Europe together with a few Western European nations will sadly have to show the world what democracy means, without populists in France, U.K, Hungary, Poland etc of course.

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business.

Capitalism and democracy are not synonymous.

There's a reason that the Rockefeller's own banks, were the minds behind the twin towers being created, and that NBC studios the crown jewel of media coverage, sits at Rockefeller plaza. The World Health Organisation also formed thanks to the Rockefeller foundation. 

They are powerful and influential.

I'm not pointing fingers and getting in to territory I don't know enough about. But from what I gather, there's a good chance that those old men you speak of not only have generational wealth, they have wealth in world conquest proportion.

I want to add that democracy means 'power of the people', in Greek. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle are just three of the better known minds that gave birth to the school of thought and way of life that meant democracy was created. All philosophers, philosophy meaning 'love of wisdom', in Greek. 

It saddens me that my own mother, who's parents only immigrated from Greece in the 50's, thinks that democracy is merely a right to vote. She knows the language but isn't so interested in the history. I nearly said culture but I'd be at risk of being chased down the street by her, wooden spoon in hand. Democracy was so much greater than that. Truly.

Que: Greeks didn't let women vote etc.

Next Ollie can work on this:

3.Tammy

2. Milner 

1. Grealish

On 21/06/2022 at 22:04, Brumerican said:

Can't say I disagree . IMO all religions are just allegory for spherical geometry.  

Energy is infinite and everything from the micro to the macro is cyclical.

It's an eternal carousel of fractal unity inside a bagel.

 

Ezekiel's wheel.

Written from an Eastern viewpoint, which is cyclical, as opposed to Western, which is linear.

Man walks passed a tree, he continues around the tree, in a cyclical fashion, each time seeing and discovering something new about the tree.

Man walks passed a tree, he continues walking passed the tree, in a linear fashion, as he goes he moves on and forgets about the tree.

6 minutes ago, nick76 said:

I don’t agree

Agreed

That’s a good thing and the owners aren’t here to mess around.  Urslow said they were disappointed on missing out on Europe in the 20/21 season, do you really think two seasons later at the end of next season they would be happy to miss out again.  They will be putting massive pressure on getting Europe this season whether we buy more or not, that’s why Gerrard was brought in.

The bigger teams continue to move away from us so yes.  We can’t keep adding better players re FFP without increased revenue and that needs European football and all the money that and it’s commercial money it brings.

So yes time is against us.

 

 

Wolves and West Ham have done it as have Leicester with less established teams. Even Brighton were in with a shot last season. 

5 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said:

For a genuine European push, we need a new CM, CB, CF, and few up back ups such as LB… but backups that will progress and be competing for their positions. 
 

but most importantly we need consistency from our existing players, particularly Phill and lil Emi 

I feel like we have a squad for a European push now. What we need is to play like a well drilled team with appropriate tactical approach each week.

Obviously strengthening our line-up would bolster chances, but it would also amount pressure to get there this time around.

Is time really so against us?

Solid top half finish wouldn't be the end of the world in terms of us reaching European placing the next time around, no?

2 minutes ago, fruitvilla said:

If by argument you mean quarrel, I agree. If you mean discuss then that is up to you.

Drugs are one aspect of induced states of spirituality. As pointed out in the discussion at large, there are other routes that that induce chemical spirituality. Chemistry (physics) is the substrate for consciousness, thought and feelings.

I am open to discussion and would even say that's something I'd like.

I can understand presumptions can be made when trying to understand and discern what's at play, however I can't give my word that will be limitless or that my enthusiasm towards any discussion can't be scuppered by misconceptions or misunderstandings.

I am reconciled to there being a point where the discussion runs its course due to a difference of angle and viewpoints.

Until then though I'm all about it.

On 14/06/2022 at 06:32, fruitvilla said:

OK there's a lot to unpack here ... but as Limpid succinctly summarized: we exist in the remnants of the big bang. As you well know I can't take back to the big bang no more than you can go back five minutes. So you are just playing rhetorical games here as far as I am concerned.

The difference between science and whatever it is you are doing is that science can propose something  and we might be able to disprove it. Science may find corroborating evidence to support a position or a proposal, but it will never prove it true. As yet you have not described what you are arguing for ... so I am still waiting.

I am not really interested in arguing with you, I am just expressing myself and airing where I am inclined from my limited point of view, any discussion that ensues I am open to and welcome so long as it is done in a way that I can tolerate.

Insinuating that my sense of spirituality is drug induced wasn't really my idea of that. Though I understand people will come to view any situation through the lens that they have at any given time, and I am not going to take things personally so as to derail any chance at a fair and honest dialogue and evaluation of what's being spoken about. I did feel some vibes that I didn't appreciate so forgive my reluctance to engage, if you can afford me that.

@fruitvilla

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5 minutes ago, limpid said:

It is everywhere. That is the entire basis of the theory.

In the moment that it originated I meant. Does that still exist? What about the you of one year ago? Is that still existing?

And if it is doesn't that mean that we are all connected? All united. One.

1 minute ago, fruitvilla said:

Initially I read the "l" in walks as an "n". 

Some argue for NOMA. But if if you can come up with some observations that we can test your hypothesis I would be more than happy to review my position. Science is not at odds with God or Gods, at least in my opinion. All we can do as humans is point at existence. God what ever it is may or may not exist, but I am pretty sure the universe exists. I personally don't need any "more". As some have argued this Concept of a "God"  is actually a Golden Calf in its own right.

Take me to the big bang please. I would like to know where it is located currently. Does it have coordinates? Can you do that for me? Even with the science the big bang is so far away and can only be imagined by us, and I do mean us, not just myself, that it could be labelled never-never land.

3 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

It's a song about an uptight straight bloke who's stumbled into a gay club. 

Admittedly Dylan is heavily into his spirituality, and he's written plenty of God songs - some of them pretty good, some absolutely dire. I just (mostly) like him as a singer/musician/songwriter, I get no 'spiritual' inspiration from his work. 

Do you know what the most fundamental aspect to our happiness is according to psychiatry and psychology? 

Meaning. 

And you knew what I meant when I said Bob Dylan, and that is why you posted his lyrics. To share meaning.

I find it interesting that we are all so different and unique, one of a kind originals, yet we are also so undeniably in this together and able to relate. A form of the universe experiencing itself.

21 minutes ago, nick76 said:

This what I never get about religion, how do they know it was the touch of god and not something else or a myriad of other possible explanations.

Sorry brother, the quote I mention implies that religion is insignificant in this situation, "according to Hoyle miracle".

Religion claims the rules and is the authority on God. The quote says that wasn't important, it was how he felt that mattered.

3 minutes ago, fruitvilla said:

I did. You have described spirituality as the feeling touch of God.  Now perhaps you can explain what the quote meant by God? And whilst you are at it perhaps you can explain what by God. Or is God beyond all understanding?

I'm saying I am not all knowing. 

The quote is saying he had a realisation of sorts, the realisation was not a drug induced epiphany, that there are powers beyond our comprehension.

When I saw @mjmooney post the Dylan lyrics in here, that is spirituality for me.

We all trying to find the answers here. I don't see why science and God have to be at odds.

I find it interesting that "finding God" is an expression.

24 minutes ago, fruitvilla said:

You did ... and I pointed out the quote was not helpful at all.

Again you are begging the question. Do you mean we (you) don't know how to explain or perhaps you mean it is impossible that this something can be explained.

For me, this so called spirituality might be induced with some good drugs ... cf Mike Pollan or Sam Harris. I am not advocating this. For me spirituality are like moments of awe. Like when I was six years old at Villa Park, the murmur of the crowd as the ground filled up, the pitch was impossibly green. I have seen Christians go into euphoric states singing folksy hymns.

Other people argue spirituality is simply living a "good" life, whatever that means.

Can you explain how the quote was not helpful at all?

It states that regardless of the rules and authorities telling us one narrative and how it is with an explanation for everything, that he felt something beyond and greater than that. And that feeling cannot be explained, not by himself, nor those rules or authorities. And that was the touch of God.