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8 minutes ago, av1 said:

Its difficult to see how their paths could have crossed, which begs the question as to where Remi got the idea of Eric Black. 

He played in France for 5 years and has been a coach for years he was also a coach with McAllister who if you remember Houliier had here with him so maybe Houllier put his name forward? Or he might just know him? 

19 minutes ago, Richard said:

I tell you know if this is Garde's pick I am utterly amazed

I am not letting the negativity of the threat of relegation sway my opinion on everything club related.  Relegation is just the final outcome of how the club is being run which is the main negative bit ,  so basically it is everything club related that is negative and swaying my opinion.

Seeing your negative comments in every thread even when on about bringing players in says it's the other way around!! 

In a season of crap the best thing we've done is appoint Garde in my opinion. He is getting the players fighting and believing now and if we carry that on to the end we will have a chance but if we do go I can see us having a bit of momentum to go into next season with. Garde stood up to the board when they wanted him to have Round in board and has now seemed to have chosen Eric Black to help out. We need a striker to have any sort of chance and the board need to back Garde to a degree or why would he be sure they'd keep their word in the summer. I wanted 7 pts from WBA West Ham and Norwich. It's still on but we will need a striker to get goals out of nothing for us 2 back to back wins would be massive for confidence. 

13 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

We don't need help getting away fans to the game. Our away support is consistently amongst the best in the land, always has been and always will be.

What we need is the club taking the bigger allocations! Time and again this season we have taken the initial allocation and then sold out 5/6 weeks in advance. I agree with the original post take the biggest amount possible then do what you need to do to sell them out. It sounds good selling out but doesn't mean anything when it's just 1500/2000 of the same people everytime!! We have great away support just imagine it with the extra numbers every game?? 

8 minutes ago, Richard said:

Doubt he is Garde's pick and doubt it is long term

Seeing as Garde didn't want Round and rejected the idea in a press conference I don't think he's the type to have anyone forced on him. I think John Percy said it's his choice aswell. Seeing as they've never worked together a 6 month contract to see how they get on would be a sensible idea and by the sounds of it it's an initial end of season deal so what's wrong with that? Letting the negativiy of the threat relegation sway your opinion on everything club related is silly. 

9 hours ago, bose said:

----------------------------Butland/Adrian

Clyne----------Dann/Stones-----------------Fonte-----------Cresswell

 

Arnautovic---------Besic-----------------Mahrez----------------Bolasie

 

--------------------Ighalo----------------Vardy

All these players were bought for 4m pounds or less and in most cases much less. The Clyne transfer is when he went to Southampton from Crystal Palace. 

Mahrez was 400k, Arnautovic 2m, Vardy 1m, Bolasie 1m, Cresswell 3m, Fonte 1m etc. There is so much possibility in finding good players if you have a very good scouting setup across Europe and in the lower leagues.

Of course there will be failures and these players are the success stories but if we had a competent set up we could make some really good buys. Instead we buy players that have no business in the Premier League (Bowery, Lowton, Bennett, Luna, Richardson) or pay big fees for sub-par players (Gestede, Ireland, N'Zogbia).

Our success stories for low fees in recent years have been Okore, Gil and Westwood (even he is very debatable on this board at least). Even they are nowhere near the players in that team.

TBF I can make a similar one of crap players!! You've picked the best ones possible out of how many transfers? Leicester for instance spent £9m on Kasmeric who've they've just bombed out yet got lucky on a few others. You will get good and bad signings its having a consistent policy that helps you develop a squad. Our problem is we have changed from one to another time and again. Our recruitment in the summer was on the whole good it's just we never replaced the goals in the team and never had a manager who believed in the signings. One thing to remember is Gestede was Sherwoods buy Ayew was more the committee says it all to me really. 

4 minutes ago, TRO said:

I don't know what criteria they use to sign strikers, but for me goals scored in a season alone ,as apt as is may be is too simplistic.

In the past we have signed

• Cascarino when it should have been his partner Sheringham
• Whittingham when it should have been his partner Walsh

we seem to sign strikers who rely too much on service, as opposed to them that can tend to create their own.....quick feet and the ability to get between the lines.

its all well and good signing big physical strikers but they usually have a touch of a rapist. There are exceptions of course like Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

in recent times we seem to be devoid of appreciating the Brian Littles And Dwight Yorkes.

as difficult as it is the repeat those captures we could at least appear to be linked with that sort.....rather than big lumbering gallutes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think in Ayew we have the Yorke type we just need someone with more pace and mobility than Gestede or Kozak and that shouldn't be hard!! Santos for 1/4mil seems worth a go. I'm sure we could write if off if he turns out crap! 

5 minutes ago, GeneralJazzman said:

I guess I don't like the Santos idea as he posted about his release clause. If Benteke did that to engineer his Liverpool move we would be fuming. So that's what troubles me there. 

The Gestede injury has now made the striker situation far more pressing than before. Before I said Gabby could play a part, by that I mean a couple of goals from the bench at crucial times in a game. The Rudy injury does call for another signing, Just hope we get it right.

Beggars can't be choosers! If he is good enough and I've no idea if he is get him in as its pennies. He won't be on a big wage either so there wouldn't be a need for relegation reduction clause which is something that'll stop a lot of players wanting to come. 

5 minutes ago, GeneralJazzman said:

I do think you are right about the striker, the financial drains and the diamonds in the rough. With better infrastructure it's less risk and more informed decision making when scouting players. The N'Zogbia transfer has been such a drain on us for years now and optimises the financial mistakes we have made.  

I worry we cannot find that striker we need that wants to come our way. Even on loan, they may want to go to Newcastle, Swansea or Sunderland as it appears they are doing better. 

NZogbia at the time seemed a good signing. Maybe finding out his personality would've swayed the decision but on ability at the time he was worth it. No club gets all there signings right but we have kept changing managers so often that our crap get chance after chance. Gabby would've gone under Houllier and didn't deserve a new contract. I still hope Remi can get a couple in as the confidence is coming back to the team if we added goals to it we'd go down swinging at least. We need a striker desperately so I actually hope Gestede is badly injured as it may force the boards hand. 

If he's Garde's choice I trust him. He speaks French after playing there for 5 years and I assume he has decent English coming from Scotland! If we do go he also has a wealth of knowledge of the Championship. 

36 minutes ago, John said:

So it seems £1.25m may now represent a "huge amount" to the bean counters at our football club . I guess the next flags they give to fans will be white ones for us to wave as we go down and our "big club" status is further eroded before our very eyes. Sad days indeed!  

Well seeing as we'd agreed the £1.2m fee by most accounts a few weeks ago and Debuchy wasn't sure on the move its a case of who you want to believe as no one knows for sure but most go with which ever article suits their feelings of the club at the minute. 

2 hours ago, GeneralJazzman said:

Discussion is good, I like discussion. That's why I am here, plus the different views are important. Not complaining just noticed that people have turned on Grealish and Gabby, I am putting a case forward that maybe spending isn't necessary and won't be done if we have options already if their attitude changes.

I hope we do sign a striker, and agree maybe our academy isn't producing the goods. But we have rolled the dice with players like Tonev, Sylla, Helenius, Luna let alone Bowery that has cost us. I don't want us to make another error like that.

We have made progress under Garde, a player who doesn't fit may disrupt or even halt progress. 

 

 

Gabby will never change. Grealish is just out of form at the minute and hasn't got a proven PL record to point to to show he can do it. I think he'll come good but we need an out and out goalscorer with mobility. 

If we don't get anybody in it'll be a disgrace. A mobile decent striker would've got us another 3/4 pts this window alone and could still get us back in the fight even now. I understand not gambling too much but we will need a striker in the summer anyway so why not try to get one now?? 

1 hour ago, useless said:

I think we wanted Round originally, Black is probably just the alternative.

The club wanted Round and I seems now Garde has chosen Black 

3 hours ago, jon_c said:

Because of the work permit situation? Even though most people can't see any sane reason why he shouldn't get one on an appeal. Especially when looking at other clubs signings. 

Stop being sensible!!! Faulkner out!!! 

I'd say it's the 1st application. Kasmeric at Leicester has only played 9 times for the national side and he got one and as he's an outfield player. 

I am unhappy and angry about where we are in the league and what seems like certain relegation. I'm not unhappy or angry  with the answers that we were given last night. There wasn't any buck passing and Fox took full responsibility. They set out what we were aiming to do even if they messed it up this summer. We aren't a rich enough club or ever likely to be to start over every time a manager moves on so having a system that keeps the club going the right direction regardless is the right idea. The stuff about our revenue increase is embarrassing and has been the keystone behind the last 5 years of under investment. If we back Garde to a decent degree this window I'll back the board regardless because I think we need to gain some momentum going into next season so we need to finish strongly with a united fan base no matter what division we are in next year. If we don't I can only see unrest as we go into a downward spiral. 

8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Instill optimism how?

Lying?

They said the chequebook was open and they're actively looking to sign players.

Tell the truth and you're damned Say something positive and it's seen as spin! We are actively looking for players but it's not rocket science that being bottom makes it harder to buy players. If we were in touch I think we'd gamble more but now it's a case of gambling our future on survival! Hopefully we have a big week and give the board something more to ponder! We can still do loans and buy potential ie Kalinic so all not lost. 

4 minutes ago, KHV said:

 Staggering that a premier league football club doesn't have the know how to integrate foreign players

I don't think it was off the field that was the problem it was having a manager in Sherwood who couldn't understand some need time to settle and chose to bomb them or slag them off!! 

34 minutes ago, Nabby said:

Under Ellis I recall he complaint being he ran us like a corner shop , Randy was supposed to change this but clearly he didn't and we now have to rebuild from position of weakness.

Randy putting his own cash in has been a weakness, as its been the easy option to take  when if we where run correctly we would have generated enough revenue to fund purchasing , that his money was wasted on crap like N'zogbia has just made the situation worse.

I think the problem is we kept being run like a corner shop but threw money at trying to be a lot bigger. It's damning that our revenue hardly beat inflation at a time of record tv money!!! 

I wouldn't trust anyone that takes quotes from last night. If you haven't read it already the Mail has the full transcript. For instance the customer quote people getting so het up about was clearly a reference to Hollis' former roles! 

2 hours ago, gilbertoAVFC said:

Hmmm. Was he calm when he clattered Vardy 25 yards from goal? I suppose he was calm when he stood five yards out of position for Okazaki's goal at Vardy's initial shot. Don't get me wrong I want him to do well for us but he's been kept out of the side all season by Guzan for a reason.

We need a new keeper.

You've totally missed the point!!! I know we need a new keeper the point is a keeper is more than just shot stopping he sets the tone to the defence. An erratic keeper like Guzan spreads to the defence. Bunn isn't good enough but look how calm he is to the defence when he collects the ball etc that settles them down. There's no dramatics when he does something good or bad. I hope Kalinic brings a lot more talent and sets the tone for the defence. 

Bunn may not be a better goalkeeper on certain things than Guzan but what he does is he keeps calm and that spreads to the defence something I think Garde has said. Kalinic looks good I just hope he is calm and isn't as erratic as Guzan. All the best keepers are calm and good decision makers goalkeeping is a lot more than shot stopping these days!! X 

Are the people moaning we might sign a midfielder from Scotland the same ones who moaned we didn't try for Naismith?? Or are we back to the PL exp argument again?