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I'll call it Wiggy if its a girl! :winkold: Wiggy & Cornelius...imagine that!!! I'm hoping you have twins now!!! Sounds like the replacement act for Bert and Ernie. Dante!!! Have some respect...thats Ad's future kids your talking about!!!

I'll call it Wiggy if its a girl! :winkold: Wiggy & Cornelius...imagine that!!! I'm hoping you have twins now!!!

What the **** do you mean by "a dirty arse"!? An anus with poo around it. Gotcha!

Well i think she's pregnant! Can you call it Cornelius if its a boy!?

Piss taking ****!!! So when do i get my cash back from Fred?

How long does it take? Her kid it 2 and a bit. She might be pregnant again??? Congratualtions!!!

What the **** do you mean by "a dirty arse"!?

Are you exicdysl? Thank you.....I ordain you my official grammar servent/bitch! Any idea's?

If you make a withdrawal from say BetFred, who long before the cash is in your bank account?

You were rquesting a personalised title the other day. This coul dbe your chance! .. Your title is mine, Wiggy. :x Never Dante. Your just a yound pretender to my crown! *You're *young Thank you.....I ordain you my official grammar servent/bitch!

There must be others who have encountered this problem. People who have dated mums with young kids? or peoples' partners that have young children? Nope, thats just pretty **** up!

You were rquesting a personalised title the other day. This coul dbe your chance! .. Your title is mine, Wiggy. :x Never Dante. Your just a yound pretender to my crown!

I fully agree with this part mate, i too hope im raising my boy to know right from wrong from an early age, so that he knows the consequences of his behaviour if he were to ever do something wrong, hopefully that would be enough to deter him from ever doing anything wrong. And i like you, very much hope there never comes a time when me and the missus are placed in the situation. As you say, we both see the situation differently and how we would react if we were ever presented with that sistuation. Anyone mate, none of this is personal, just good debate.

So if it meant your child going to prison for 'x' amount of years, you'd still turn them over to the authorities? :? **** me, if my kids had killed someone or done something bad enough to go to prison for a number of years, i'd be driving down to the prison myself, throwing him in, and throwing away the key. But were not talking about murder. I asked you if your son/daughter faced 3 years in prison for tax evasion or fraud or such like. Would you still hand them over to the authorities? ok, i took the number of 'x' to be 6 years which is how many years on average you get for murder. a 3 year sentence, that would be something more serious that GBH or rape. would you get 3 years for tax evasion or fraud? 99% of the time you wouldn't even get a prison sentence at all (unless you were in the public eye). anyway, i digress, assuming you mean a criminal act that would actually get 3 years in a holiday camp, yes i would. assuming you mean a tax evasion or fraud, which might get 7 days in a holiday camp if the judge was feeling particularly mean, yes i would. Do you have children ender?

Its all horseshit mate, people saying they would turn on a loved member of their family? Wouldnt torture someone to save their childs life? etc etc. Complete bullshit. They obviously dont know what true love for someone is. i have a serious question - are you claiming benefits illegally yourself, because it starting to sound like you have a hidden agenda... :? Like im going to tell you!* My 2 issues in this thread are... 1) People taking the moral high ground and making out they would always do things by the book for the good of society etc etc. 2) The fact that people would happily turn on the family, even their own son or daughter, then try and back it up with "because its the right thing to do" etc etc. My gripe is nothing to do with benefit fraud, shoplifting etc. Its with the fact that people would grass on their own flesh and blood, and not bat an eyelid about it! I couldnt care less what people get away with or how they con the system, i know i earn my money honestly and a sleep well at night because of it. *FWIW i have never claimed benefits in all my 29 years on this planet. Touch wood, i have always been in full-time employment working 50 hours a week for the same employer since the day i left school. My fiancee has also been in full-time work as a band 7 neonatal nurse since she left university. My son is 19 months old so i dont think he really comes into it. My family mean everything to me and i wouldnt turn them in...NO MATTER WHAT!

So if it meant your child going to prison for 'x' amount of years, you'd still turn them over to the authorities? :? **** me, if my kids had killed someone or done something bad enough to go to prison for a number of years, i'd be driving down to the prison myself, throwing him in, and throwing away the key. But were not talking about murder. I asked you if your son/daughter faced 3 years in prison for tax evasion or fraud or such like. Would you still hand them over to the authorities?

Yeh I see your point, but in regards to benefit fraud, and only benefit fraud, as I said, there's no harm in it at all, from my perspective. I know the system well enough that if I did shop a family member/friend and they ended up owing a shed load of money, I could tell them what to do/say so that they would pay off the bare minimum possible for life, if anything at all. Loadsa monaayyyy To which you may respond, what would be the point in shopping someone if they werent going to pay it back anyway? Well, I would be safe in the knowledge that from then on they would be paid what they are due, which, shock horror, is quite an important issue for me. They wouldnt have a criminal record, they wouldnt have any CCJs or anything like that against their name, and they would be able to continue claiming benefits if they had to. And what impact would this have with my relationship with that person? Well I wouldn't just do it without telling them, of course I would discuss it with them. All of my family members and friends know what my line of work is, and I have had very frank discussions with the few of them that claim/have claimed benefits, in regard to what they should or shouldnt be doing whilst claiming. I think it's safe to say that if I didn't do what I do for a job, my view point and repsonse to this hypothetical situation would be quite different. So they would be happy for you to report them because its "your job"? Oh because they wouldnt go to prison or get a CCJ that makes it ok to rat out your family? Would you expect them to talk to you again? To trust you? Because after that, if it was me, i wouldnt trust you to walk my dog! Ive said it before in this thread. Who needs enemies in the world when your own family would turn you in!?

So if it meant your child going to prison for 'x' amount of years, you'd still turn them over to the authorities? :?

We have had many a debate about this mate, and they always come out with the same titanic moral bullshit. To many people trying to sound like they're the modal member of society. Its all horseshit mate, people saying they would turn on a loved member of their family? Wouldnt torture someone to save their childs life? etc etc. Complete bullshit. They obviously dont know what true love for someone is.

I don' think anyone would. And if they did, there would have to be something seriously wrong with the father/child relationship for that to happen. As BOF said, it would be done because of spite/revenge/dislike. I don't believe, assuming a typical father/child relationship (ie a good one), that anyone would snitch on their child for that purely out of a moral obligation. Try and make them stop, of course. Talk them out of it, and maybe even threaten to tell the police. But actually turning them in? I struggle to believe anyone would. Judging by some of the posts on this thread, i wouldnt be so sure mate. :| I'd wager, and there's no way to prove it, that actually faced with the situation, they wouldn't do it. And that doesn't mean I don't think they'd try and make that family member stop, or that i think they have no morals and let everyone do what they want. And they can counter with the "I'd bring my kids up the right way so they wouldn't do that", that's fine. We'd all like that. But assuming all that is true, actually faced with the situation, I don't think they'd do it. Its all hot air mate. A simple question that i posed, that would take a simple 'yes or 'no' answer cant be answered. Yes, we would all love our kids to turn out as decent human beings, and we all (at least i do) try and raise our kids to know right from wrong. There is a huge difference in trying to speak to someone and tell them to stop what they are doing, and turning on them and handing them over to the system.

He wins hands down after his last couple beauties!!

I eagerly await his return to English football. Top character, top coach/manager.

I don' think anyone would. And if they did, there would have to be something seriously wrong with the father/child relationship for that to happen. As BOF said, it would be done because of spite/revenge/dislike. I don't believe, assuming a typical father/child relationship (ie a good one), that anyone would snitch on their child for that purely out of a moral obligation. Try and make them stop, of course. Talk them out of it, and maybe even threaten to tell the police. But actually turning them in? I struggle to believe anyone would. Judging by some of the posts on this thread, i wouldnt be so sure mate. :|

To be honest I'd rather hope I did a good enough job bringing them up not to have to ever think about it. :winkold: I agree, i too would like to think i'd never be in the situation.