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Now! After a decade or so of this becoming common practice, whose to say that some financial scheme won't be cooked up. Then you're a simple skip away from people who are alive but poor selling their organs like they do in some third world countries I agree the slippery slope arguement is compelling. That's a very real potential outcome. But we can't not do good things now in case someone later tries to find a profit angle. That's when you object, later. For now, just drive carefully when you go to Wales. What about....would you accept the transplant of a person that died in Wales on a presumed yes, even though they might not have actually consented? Surely, you'd have to decline, just in case you offended their wishes for their carcass that they forgot to make clear. Or would the 'my body even after death' rule only apply to you personally?

But babies and people are 'denied life' on an hourly basis. There are budgets and somebody somewhere decides they will invest in heart surgery in Liverpool at the expense of something else somewhere else. 'They' already decide when you live or die without your express consent, from pensions, through winter fuel allowance, health advice, legislation on fags and a thousand other tiny things. The big blunt transfusion baby dilemma is a relatively minor part of the whole personal freedom of choice thing. If you were forced to pay more tax, far more babies would survive than by forcing JW's to allow their babies transfusions. The greater good would be to tax everyone more and not worry about such minority fringe items until we've dealt with the big stuff. Surely us lot having a beer or a night out is 'evil' when babies are dying because of our direct choice not to put more money into health? I think current social mores make it difficult to see where the 'evil' line is crossed. People choosing to vote for budget cutting governments might be harming far more innocent babies than JW's could ever dream of. Just to clarify, I'm not saying its right, I'm not supporting it. It's just not as simple as we are right they are wrong. We might also be wrong in our choices, they just aren't as instantly directly emotional. Freedom of choice currently means local council budgets are being spent cleaning up vandalism and puke and monitoring fast food late night opening and thus not having the funds for sufficient social workers and early years health support. Sometimes, our freedom to choose, needs a reality check for the greater good. Admittedly, organ harvesting is the extreme end of social over personal, but it's not as simple as 'my body my rules'. True evil might be the big night out and a £65 taxi ride home that I saw in another thread. That surely, is personal choice not understanding social responsibility.

But surely if you're dead, don't believe in whatever and nobody is making a profit, why shouldn't they use your bits to save a life. Surely you're just drawing your line in a slightly different place (which is fine), but then declaring the line somebody else drew as 'evil'. OK, denying a transfusion is undeniably bad, but surely denying a heart or a kidney is similarly somewhere on the bad scale? fwiw, once I'm dead they can do what they like with it as long as nobody claims 'rights' over anything or tries to turn a profit or a commercial advantage or gives bits to Damian Hirst.

isn't new zealand just part of greater australia, you know, like scotland is just part of great britain? back on the bad bad jehova's witnesses (which I'd really prefer not to get personalised down to individuals), what about organ donation generally? Wales is going to go 'opt out' instead of 'opt in', so if you die in a freak orange, wardrobe and chord accident in Wales they'll presume they can do a quick organ harvest. Everyone ok with that? It saves the lives of little kiddies. (I am ok with it for what it's worth)

I thinks Mr Bicks has mentioned elsewhere, just take the photo, get home and play around with the colour and the framing there. If you get into it, build it up. But at the 'CI newbie' level, just buy something with a known name on it and spend 6 months with that. If you really need more than that, there are tons of camera review sites such as dpreview. If you are one of these people that need to have awesome kit straight away and piss everyone around you properly off with your new found obsession and expertise, I direct you towards Leica. Second hand can be good value, but might be a duffer. Jessops will sometimes haggle. I got £40 off mine because a lens cap was missing. The replacement was picked up by going to another Jessops and complaining it was missing a lens cap!

Best of ELO cheap and cheerful in car karaoke

CI, I recently bought an obsolete (nos) Olympus Pen EP 1 plus a second changeable lens all for £209 It's job is to sit in the boot of the car, and when I see something interesting I pull it out of the boot, point it at the interesting thing and press the button. it's on auto, it works everything out. One day, when I've got time, it has all manner of controls and settings I can play with, but for now it takes a fairly decent picture. It's also a lot smaller than a £600 full on dslr. You'd also still have £391 in your pocket.

send her a text Friday night explaining Friday is your night to knock one out so she needs to tell you by 7:00 if there's any future in this, cos otherwise she's gonna miss the boat then another around 7:10 saying she's too late but you're feeling a lot less stressed about it now

Is that the one at Cardiff ? Taking my lad to the GB football in a couple of weeks time and he wants to see the Dr Who thingy as well ... He's 7 , would you say it would be suitable for someone his age ? Yes, down Cardiff Bay. £9 for a little walk through show and as long as you want in the static exhibition and then the old 'exit through the gift shop'. I thought it was really good value for money. 7 is definitely on the younger end of the scale of those in our party but he should love it. I won't tell you too much but there's a bit of Weeping Angel and a bit of the Silence. If he's ok with them he'll be chuffed. Probs best to book in advance. Plenty of places for a pizza or an ice cream down the Bay and probs a bit less mental than the centre of town by the stadium on the day your visiting.

yesterday evening cheap and cheerful evening out at a Harvester, about a dozen of us and far better than expected this morning Dr Who Exhibition with my eldest nipper - have to say it was really good (and I dislike most sci fi stuff) the obligatory BBQ later today probably take the missus up a canal tomorrow

Whitstable on Wednesday, Cardiff this morning.

we all hate Bangor, we all hate Bangor one of the very few teams I truly dislike scummy little team with a bad attitude and some properly horrible 'fans' that give the rest of the fanbase a poor rep in that league if ever there is trouble in this league, Bangor were there

I'd prefer to push Mylene's button than carry an oylimpic torch.

might as well call a bloke 'breather' or 'blinker' anybody that doesn't w@nk is a w@nker in my opinion in fact, now I think about it, I'll be back shortly.....

that has to be fake? Shirley?

the opening ceremony: 'Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome. There isn't really a ceremony, everyone will enter the stadium waving flags. We've given £10 million to charities around the world. ok, let the games begin!' Olympics needs a bit of a re set and that would start it.

I can't help feeling there is still something left to play out here. Some last minute restraint of trade appeal process or threat of a breakaway Atlantic League. As much as I'd love the weekly car crash that will be Rangers vs High Street YMCA I just can't help feeling something will prevent it.

I'm getting adverts for Picaddily Backpackers. Is this some sort of euphomism that will just lead me to another unsavoury dating website?

just for info., BBC 'be in an audience' web page currently showing free tickets for a Blur gig 31st July. It's a lucky dip draw, but as its free why not have a punt.

Hang on! Nobody tutted at the idea of pushing women to the ground for being a nuisance. But getting the unemployed working causes debate! You're going in my little book, what your name?

*cough* slave trade *cough* That only works if there are jobs out there for them If I didn't have a job, I'd hope to be very busy LOOKING for a job rather than picking shite up off the side of the road. Jobs don't find you. You find jobs. And you don't tend to find them in a chain gang walking up a country lane. yeah a good point and one I've agonised over for literally seconds. I'm really not suggesting a shitty chain gang that the currently political parties would turn it into. I'm talking about some magical ingredient 'x' I haven't yet quite nailed that turns chain gangs, slave labour, big society and all that into a productive thing. A bit like Remploy before they dismantled it. A couple of days a week doing stuff that will contribute, no shame in it, no stigma, no orange boiler suits. just a form of resource we can call on to do 'stuff'. Do you know what, we could even spend lottery money building factories that make stuff we don't currently make. Off the top of my head, we don't make washing machines here, so let's build a washing machine factory in.....Merthyr or Redditch.

MJMooney did go to the trouble of printing the lyrics rather than some modern affectation of 'linking'. I do now have a mental picture of Mr M as a short rotund jolly welshman in black and white. For what it's worth, I'd be banning umbrellas and I wouldn't look kindly on the use of the word soccer. People that say 'soccer' suggest to me they have to distinguish 'football' from their own oddly shaped perversions. I think we've agreed elsewhere what we are doing with perverts. Nobody fit and well gets benefits without contributing somehow. They can pick litter, paint, help out in care homes. a million jobs that need doing. No fit and able people 'on the dole' with economic migrant workers getting low wage jobs. That's not a downer on foreign types, they are more than welcome. But let's not bring people in to do the jobs some of us can't be arsed with. I really really don't read the Daily Heil.

I'd stop all state funding of art or art 'installations'. I loves a bit of art me, but the thought of paying some tit from Guatemala or Belgium or wherever to come over here and interpret modern living through the medium of kites...aargh. Artists are supposed to suffer in the hope of being discovered. Women stopping at the bottom of escalators or in shop doorways can legitimately be pushed over and then you can shout 'see what you made me do?' at them. Niche internet dating sites to allow you a good look at the merchandise without the tedium of signing up via a verified e-mail address. Obviously I base this on pure speculation as to what I presume probably happens.

I'd be happy for Forest to do well (i.e. finish one place below us). First game I can remember at VP was against Forest. I was stood high up on the black ash of the Holte watching the waves of marauding hoolies outside chasing each other back and fore. Then all combined running through the gardens of the terraced houses that used to be there to avoid a mounted police cavalry charge. It's not very pc and my opinion would be different now, but at the time I thought it was all just fantastic and exciting.

I'd be an excellent and mostly benign dictator. Rule 1: No saggy trousers showing boxer shorts. Rule 2: Free ice cream based products on sunny Friday's for anyone with a proper job (Magnums incur a 20p surcharge). Proper job to be defined by me. Rule 3: Adopted / adapted from Tony's earlier post elsewhere, take the baseball cap off unless you are a) playing baseball special needs