Chindie

I spy the Monty Python reference, what do I win? A blow on the head. Just there, where it hurts. Didn't notice the Python ref myself. Still don't. Currently sat on... 44 days. Sigh.

Vodafone wouldn't be a bad sponsor at all. Can't quite see it though somehow.

They've apparently signed Fulop, which is slightly better than recalling Hart, but frankly I still don't think they should have been allowed to. They have the Faroe Island guy in the squad for a reason, I'm assuming it's not to make the place look pretty.

Like most fictional films that claim to be real, the footage in that isn't real and the story is effectively fiction too.

Spurs, annoyingly. I hate them, hate their manager, but I know that Citeh get in there, they'll dominate it even worse than anyone else has, the longer they can be held off the better.

I think this completely wrong.

Manchester United. Everyone else seems to. Or perhaps given the immense tv coverage they've had over the Premier League era, United broadcasts are all they've thus far been able to pick up in the ether.

Like the others I'm no fan of any of them either, I bare particular wrath for Christianity because I encounter it the most and have had it foisted on me the most, and it's also the one that has offended me personally the most.

Broken Britain is a media lie spun to give them something to talk about and politicians something to work towards fixing. The country is no more broke now than it ever has been (asides from the wallet department). I'm not sure exactly what point you're raising to be honest. I don't claim that all societies ills are born of religion. I simply claim that with religion gone we might have a much greater chance of bettering our future and seeing more advancements, and ultimately ending up with more intelligent better educated more understanding and analytical people in it. You seem to be claiming that Britain would be a better place if we had more faith... forgive me if I say that's bollocks as well and as an attempt to undermine any argument I've made is, well... awful.

People like to see patterns and some people are more gullible than others. It is mumbo jumbo but to some it'll sadly appeal because they don't have the knowledge to know otherwise or they have a predilection to enjoy fairy stories. It doesn't stop it being hateful mumbo-jumbo. You're doing it now! 'Look look look, the Jehovahs say this WILL happen, and look, it is! ...maybe it's all right, eh? Have a pamphlet, the hall is up the road on the second left'. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Yes, and that end is not good for humanity. Get rid of it. Yes, but what is the right example of Christianity? Theres a reason theres lots of cults of Christianity, it's because the books were written by simple men and simple men interpretted it. Earlier in this thread we couldn't even have an agreement on the same bloody passage. It's rubbish. Men twisted those beliefs from the moment they made them, they came up with them and they put pen to paper. They wrote down fairy stories for simple people to control them thinking people would forever not know the mysteries of the world and would forever not understand how to live their lives. Sadly for them, we don't need it.

Hmm, where have I heard tha before? Oh, that's right, throughout history. This is called discrimination against all people of faith, are you sure you want to go there? That's exactly where I want to go. I don't want to wage war against religion on anything other than a mental level, but it needs purging, for want of a better word. Start with the children, nick an idea from the enemy, get them when their heads are soft, set them on a path that will make them more understanding, intelligent, learned people.

All religious practise is harmful, as it all encourages thought that isn't right (by which I mean it encourages people to believe lies rather than provable evidencable understanding), and controls people in a manner unnecessary, and encourages people to believe in lies rather than discover truth. It is rank and file harmful. Yes some is more harmful than others, but to the core it is doing harm. Religion never stays as an individuals choice. It seeks to spread it's virus. That is why it is organised and has all the plethora of crap attached. It seeks to coerce and infect. I would argue (and do, often) that an individuals choice is almost never solely their own when it comes to this, because anyone looking at the facts of the matter and believing the Bible, or whatever, is clearly under some form of influence, be that a lack of understanding on their part (or idiocy), or perhaps more likely the clawing hand of the church praying on their mind. I've said before I would ban religion given the power. Certainly I'd stop it's teaching in schools and actively combat it in them. And yes a lot of it is because it is lies. Simple stories for simple people. We're not simple people anymore. We understand things, we endeavour to know more, and that is right. Religion says 'Don't ask questions, all you need to know is here'. That's abhorrent. There may be smidgens of fact in the 'holy' texts. All that does is provide a veil of legimacy to lies. Whatever good is in it cannot seperated from the rest that is downright wrong. And whatever good is in does not need to come from it. Morality is not born of the bible, or the qur'an, or whatever. Morality is human, it is born of nature and our nurture, and we started understanding it long before we started to read this rubbish. We can, and do, teach and live our lives rightly throughout the world without thinking god made it, or without referring to the ramblings of madmen translated umpteen times over centuries to such an extent that it seems absurd to think they are holy. We do not need religion. We certainly should not accept it. We should not permit lies and deceipt and fraud to be taught to people, to keep them controlled and keep them compliant, and rake in money from the believers and control their lives and seek out others to pervade the myth.

They are doing harm. They perpetuate idiocy and ignorance. Julie loves preaching on here from the Jehovahs mumbo-jumbo, and it's clearly with the aim of making people go 'Ah... maybe she's right'. And that's dangerous. People should not be encouraged to believe this shit. It stops people thinking. Selling lies to people to control them... we shouldn't accept that. It's fraud. That why it has to be combatted and wiped clean from the face of the earth.

There are thousands of prophecies. The ones that don't come true don't get remembered. The ones that do come true tend to be so incredibly vague as to be laughable. Pretty easily explained and dismissed.

I assume you're referring to me. I don't claim to have knowledge of the existance or not of a deity. I'm of the belief there isn't, full stop, and am opposed to the belief there is one and everything that comes with it. But I don't have knowledge of it. I have knowledge of the things that to me suggest it's all bullshit and should do to just about anyone else that understands science as well, however, and as a thinking human being I make a call based on that. Concrete evidence though? Nah. Evidence to suggest pretty damn heavily the case? Yeah.

I suspect my waiting will be in vain, I'll be dead by then. And we can only hope that religion dies, we'll all be better off. They can keep the architecture though, some of that's alright.

In the days when the Nation of Israel had God's protection the Canaanite nations who bearing in mind practiced the most heinous acts of worship like child sacrifice etc....then their enemies did not last long. Since Jesus's death we have been living in a time when God has not interfered in mankinds affairs in as much as he has in the main been left to his own devices. It is only after mankind has turned on Religion en masse, which Chindie in his own words is promoting..... as I've said before that God will step in & take charge of matters and evil people will be judged. Right well assuming this isn't bollocks for a moment, judged by god... Judged to what? Theres no hell, remember, apparently. Whats he going to do to all these evil people?

I used to believe in live and let live. With religion, I don't anymore. Needs to be fought and wiped away for the greater good. If I come across as a cock then so be it.

Anyone know anything about the nationalistic nature of the Likud Party in Israel?

I think Julie has now provided us with the ultimate example of why these beliefs are bupkiss. They can't even agree on the scripture they believe in. How are people this gullible?! It's bullshit, bollocks, fools gold, idiocy, ignorance in action, fairy tales, childrens stories, lies! Open your eyes, learn!

I think I did start to debate I raised some points that never got answered with anything other than some claptrap about gods. I want to ridicule because I want people to see sense. And it does seem to get at you since you've bitten back a couple of times and eventually gave up trying to and glibly remarked, to paraphrase, I had no place criticising if I didn't read the Bible.

It's the foundation of life that we know of. Doesn't necessarily means it's the foundation of life everywhere

The Bible doesn't teach there is a Hell.. The word Hades means the common grave of mankind Death where you are conscience of nothing. The concept of people burning in a fiery torment in an afterlife as a punishment for their sins goes back to the Babylonians, Egyptians and other ancient pagan religions. It was a teaching adopted by the Church to keep the masses in check! You'll have to forgive me if I don't believe that the Bible doesn't teach of hell. And keep the masses in check?! What, like all the rest of it? Never!

I'm ridiculing your beliefs, yes. If you want to call that touching a nerve, or it's caused you to do that... then so be it. It still doesn't stop you deflecting anything I've said and now going on to try to attack me or my aims. You stopped trying to debate anything said here a while ago. All you've done is further the idea that people believing in this rubbish are stupid, gullible or ignorant. I hate religion, I have no bones saying that. I roundly love humanity though, hence why I hate the cults. If it annoys you, or offends you, or you don't like it... perhaps you should stop believing so much shit.

So when in the past I've pointed out that "burning persons alive" was something that specifically God said had never even come into his heart....unlike the pagan nations who didn't beleive in the God of the Bible and as a matter of custom sacrificed their children in the furnace and it became a custom that every household had to follow. You then having not listened to a word I said... should suppose that I would mean the above??! There is no point in discussing. I'm clearly making a flippant remark to the medieval concept of hell in the Christian sense, the years of torment and so on, which I read into this idea of humble pie being had. Is Hell not where blasphemers go? Or is it's nature overplayed by common thought?