bickster

Still talking about the wording

Impossible. He's not an MP and you have to be to be Leader of the Labour Party. He also can't be an MP and Mayor of Manchester as the role includes being Police and Crime Commisioner and you can't hold another elected position and be PCC

Apart from the Elephant in the room that they really don't have anyone of the right calibre to replace him

There's also how they take into account defections since last election It seems the Guardian feed is as follows Candidate elected as Labour in 2018, changes to Independent mid term, ward votes in Labour candidate again. Guardian is treating this as a Labour +1. I think the BBC etc are treating it as a 0 So the Guardian figures are changes on the composition of the council as it ended and not as elected Which also explains why the Others column in the Guardian figures has massive losses compared to BBC etc

The Guardians are more wrong, they are using their gains column in each council to feed the counter at the top, trouble is the gains column is utter bobbins. Bridgend, they have down as a 6 seat loss for the Tories, it’s actually 10. Merthyr they have as a 2 seat loss for the local Indie loons that were in power, which correct but they have Labour as no gain when they are plus 2. Then I looked at a few English ones and a lot of those just didn’t add up. An awful lot of the gain columns don’t add up to zero, which they should unless there was also a by-election I'm not convinced the BBC and Sky are right either because the BBC was definitely wrong early on.

RIght so next, I've gone through every Council UK wide and counted the Labour gains and losses in my head and got +253, the Guardian say +252. I'm prepared to think I was one out somewhere Which now makes me think the Tory loses on the Guardian site are more or less correct as long as the breakdowns of each council are correct, so I'm going to have to argue that the others are now over representing the Tory losses too

I give up. Sky and the BBC have Labour up 65 seats in Wales. I just counted all the Labour Gains in Wales and got 70 I chose Wales because it was the easiest The problem being I'm having to use the Guardians Indivdual Council results because Sky and the BBC don't show them

Typical BBC their current headline in the live page is basically Tories lose shitloads, LidDems Huge gains its absolutely laughable

I might have to start a spreadsheet on half a bottle of wine here

Life saving in fact

The pubs will be full every night of the week, it'll be cheaper to get pissed than heat your house

Yes thats exactly what I'm taking about 2018, even looking at 2014 the previous time these seats we up for grabs as a measure of how the bar was already high for Labour in this cycle 2014 Labour were up 324 seats then the next time of this set of seats in... 2018 Labour gained another 79 (again the bar was already quite high) now this year as it stands right now with more to come... 2022 Labour are another 252 up EDIT: I looked back even further to 2010...Labour gained another 417 So you see how very high the bar was on this cycle?

Yes most elections since Last year for example they were +235 2019 Both teams were down

The last elections aren't relevant. The elections 4 years ago are relevant because those are the seats that were up for grabs and 4 years ago was pretty much peak-Corbyn Labour made many gains, the Tories lost lots in 2018. Just to clarify I mean they aren't relevant to the specific losses happening today

They are but in this instance Labour had a high bar and jumped over it, The Tories already had a low bar and won the limbo dancing competition

There's something in the air in Neath Port Talbot (Yes I know) what the hell happened there. Labour and Plaid both losing seats to some Indies (And a LibDem and a Green)

Its being rather cautious if thats the case, its in Bulgarian airspace, it could be in Romanian airspace and be a few miles from the ship and still be in NATO airspace

Yes but like I was saying yesterday somewhere, it's unlikely that Labour will get a majority, so it's very pleasing to see that the LibDems are having the resurgence they need to be able to take enough seats so that Labour don't need to do deals with the SNP

To the first part, yes they are remarkably bad results for the Tories but the idea that they already lost some marginal councillors last time isn't really relevant, what they've actually done is lose a hell of a lot of councillors elected in 2018, which was a year they already didn't perfom well in. It's actually much worse than you've painted it. They had a low bar to begin with in this election cycle and they've managed to lower it much further

I guess it doesn't matter that much but it is about 150 miles south of the ship, I suspect its more keeping an eye on the Russian ships out of Sevastopol at this stage

Another one overcompensating for the utterly silly numbers they've been quoting all day The St Albans result, whilst the council was already a LibDem one, the Tories lost 19 of the 23 seats they had (now only have 4 seats remaining there). That's an absolute shoeing

My daughter who lives in Wandsworth is delighted to be recognised as a left winger (She hasn't lived there that long)

That isn’t where the ship is. It’s a few miles offshore near the Romanian / Ukraine border, not far from the famous Snake Island

Nope, it’s not that. They were wildly wrong this morning with only English results in

She's actually overcompensating for earlier the Tories have only currently lost 344