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I was at Uni with Vic Derbyshire, she used to be quite a good friend of mine. She's been an excellent journalist at the BBC for years. I suspect whe isn't well liked by the plants upstairs

So reporters are hearing whispers that no fewer than 5 MPs in Government office may be voting against Johnson Thats a really odd thing to be briefing off the record. Sure 'the rebels' could be using it to attempt to persuade more onto their side but I think they actually expect to lose but not by a large margin, I think their hope is to give him a very large bloody nose to make his position impossible. That in itself is a huge gamble by them because the whole point of this is that they currently think with Johnson in charge that they'll lose that GE especially as the Party will be fighting it when the country knows how riven by splits they are

Careful now @Dodgykneeswill be hunting you down

Poll Tax riots, that was only 1990

It could just as easily be anti-monarchy Liz Truss

If she wasn't an MP, you'd have serious grounds to get her sectioned under the Mental Health Act

So you appear to be saying that the militant campaigners for women's rights, the WPSU AKA the Suffragettes, who were only founded in 1903, absolutely set the campaign backwards in the 11 years between their formation and their suspension of activity for the war in 1914 So, which year between 1903 and 1914 would have been the year that Women got the vote that the Suffragettes somehow stymied with their militancy? You didn't mention dates, you didn't need to. it is a very specific time frame that your comment can fit into. Just to help you, during that period there was only one party in power, The Liberals with two Prime Ministers, Bannerman and then Asquith, neither was ever going to give women the vote, Asquith in particular was particularly against it, only changing his mind towards the end of the war when he was no longer Prime Minister

And he's probably one of those that has told both sides that he's with them

I imagine, as is always the case with these things that some of those numbers are running with the hare and the hounds

yes, correct

It is an absolute talent, take's some skill to do it thee days. We saw over the weekend how utterly rare these people actually are Tens of thousands of patriotic monarchy supporting union flag waving people spontaneously booing Johnson like a pantomime villain

That doesn't even remotely demonstrate harming the campaign or setting it back years.

Random thought. Mad Nad will vote that she has no confidence in Johnson... by accident

It's all seemingly going rather well I think. Throbber after throbber is pronouncing their unwavering support. I shall be having the night off tonight with a bottle of red

Widely acknowledged by who exactly? The WPSU was formed in 1903, Davidson was killed by the Kings Horse in 1913. The WPSU suspended campaining during WW1 and women got the vote (over the age of 30) in 1918, then were given parity with males ten years later Couldn't have set it back much could it? The main voices saying that the militant Suffragettes were setting the cause back were... the less militant Suffragists in an early version of Life of Brian

This is a given if he survives

Heart says 125 Head says 150 Johnson to survive

It would take a rather large stretch of at least my imagination to see the current make up of the Parliamentary Party ever electing him to be their leader. It contains far too many absolute throbbers, especially in the newest intake of first time MPs

My point was that punitive was not correct usage, unless you wish to punish dead people for not using all their money and assets whilst they were alive

What you want is Boris having about 2/3rds of the votes, a narrow victory really does harm him a bit too much I don't know about you but I absolutely want the Tories to own Johnson by the time of the next election, I want them all to realise, he's their f*** up and they own that error

You can't punish dead people

Not the Cocteau Twins. This Mortal Coil, the 4AD house band. That version of STTS is actually Fazer & Guthrie plus two of Modern English iirc (hence the combined version of 16 days and gathering dust off their debut album on the B-Side because they wanted to record something quick to get the single out) Also Frazer's relationship with Buckley was short lived and well after the STTS record, not only that she was Internationally recognised in her own right at the time, probably more so than Buckley so the trading off Jeff Buckley thing is utter nonsense.

The Palace of Versailles has an annual budget of 100 million Euro most of which is self generated On the other hand we pay... (I think you know what goes here) There is only one solution in these difficult economic times where cutbacks have to be made and new income streams explored Chop their effin heads off

Not really true. The original line-up of Lydon/ Matlock/Cook/Jones wrote the album. Sure McLaren hired Matlock and Lydon to partner Cook and Jones but that is no different to may bands looking for a lead singer or a bass player. They weren't a manufactured band in that sense. Absolutely no different to Epstien pushing out Pete Best and hiring Ringo. The hype and the antics, sure that was all McLaren pushing all the buttons with the unwitting stooges in the band playing along. McLaren did that perfectly. No-one has ever done it better There's also no doubt in my mind that they did change the musical landscape forever. Punk was really a 6 month flash in the pan thing but it changed the music business forever. It's also fairly safe to say that without the Pistols, The Clash wouldn't have happened (in the way that they did). The Pistols were definitely the spark that lit a musical revolution. My point is that their own story isn't that interesting, the real interesting stuff is what happened to music industry in its wake. Musically, they wrote 4 absolute classic iconic songs. God Save the Queen, Pretty Vacant, Holidays in the Sun and Anarchy in the UK. That's more than most manage in an entire career. But having this TV series on Disney is hilarious I'm not a huge Pistols fan either, I much prefer The Clash as in I do still play The Clash and rarely ever play NMTB (which I only own on CD bought for DJing purposes) but I don't think they were a "manufactured band" and I think they provided what was a pivotal moment in the history of popular music. They were a spark that changed the way the music industry works, forever.

The new series about the Sex Pistols, Pistol, is streaming on Disney Smash the System To be perfectly honest, the Pistols "story" isn't really that interesting. They were important obviously as the spark but the back story isn't that interesting at all